Blackouts

[Urchin]

2nd time I've blacked out in a situation where either both guys should've blacked out or niether guy should've blacked out.  Something is wrong with the way this stuff is modelled, imo.  

Just now, dove on a 190 in a P-51B.  190 pulls up into a loop, I chop throttle and pull up after him, in lag pursuit.  He comes out of the loop into a powerdive, I follow with throttle chopped.  After we get to about 400 mph, he's about 600 yards ahead of me.  He then pulls up into another loop.  I again follow in lag pursuit, with throttle still chopped, get halfway up, then blackout and auger by the time I wake up.  He apparently never blacked out.  

So how is it possible for a 190 going ~400 to pull a loop tighter than a P-51B does and not black out doing, if the P-51 blacks out while pulling a loop that obviously isn't as tight, since it is in lag pursuit?  Can someone answer that for me?  The rationale behind it just escapes me.

The time before that I'm in a flat break turn waiting for some plane zipping up my 6 with tons more energy to overshoot trying to follow me.. I black out.. 2 seconds later he shoots me down.  So apparently he was able to actually pull LEAD on a plane that was turning so hard the pilot "blacked out".. all without blacking out.  Again a situation that leaves me wondering how it is possible.  

Anyway, something is screwy with the blackout model, in my opinion.

[MaddogWx]

I see the same things happening.

[214thCavalier]

Auto climb ?.

[MachNix]

I have read in other posts that the blackout is based something like a damage/repair model.  When you pull high gees you acquire blackout damage at a fast rate and will blackout when the damage reaches a certain level.  Once you blackout the plane flies straight (or as trimmed) and the blackout damage repairs itself at a slow rate.  I'm guessing there is a second blackout damage threshold you have to drop below before you wake up.  I believe it takes 25 seconds (or was it 2 min) to full repair any blackout damage.

In the first case of diving on the 190, you may have acquired more damage in the first loop than the 190.  This would be true if you where faster than the 190 AND using the same loop radius as the 190.  In the second loop, you both might have been taking the same amount of blackout damage but you reached your blackout limits first since you where closer to the limit at the start of the loop.  It is even possible that the 190 did blackout and hit the ground a second after you did.  It is also possible the blackout model is based on the type of plane.

In the second case of a flat break turn with someone dead on your six with tons of speed will not result in them having to follow your turn to get a shot off.  They get to start their turn 600 yards (or wherever you decide to make your break) behind your starting point.  You are converting their shot from a dead six to a deflection and hoping they miss.  All they need to do is pull enough lead.  With you blacked out in the bank, you would have stopped turning and would be showing them the top of your plane.  Remember the 190?  You could have gone for this same type of deflection shot.  You would have had a shot even it the 190 pulled to the blackout.

The blackout adds to the complexity and, as you discovered, it is something to consider whether you are on offense or defense.

MachNix

[OOZ662]

I also think you blackout easier in some planes than others because of the design of the aircraft.