New gunsights to see over the nose.

[Lance]

Not every WWII pilot was the same height, either. I suspect there were some with longer torso's than others, which would put their eyes at a different height in the cockpit.  Deal with it  

Gordo

[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 01-10-2001).]

[Westy]

There are no real mods to AH. You can do the same thing they can. We all can. If you choose not to, fine. That doesn't mean your choice should restrict that of others.

 -Westy

[Tac]

well, if someone manages to make the cockpit transparent.. give me a call.... *grin* (j/k)

[Andy Bush]

Toad has hit the nail on the head...seats are adjustable in height.

In RL, this vertical adjustment does not have the limiting effect on viewing the sight as it does in AH.

In RL, I always ran my seat up...I wanted max lookout...of course in some a/c, this was more effective than in others. It didn't make much difference in the F-104, but in the A-10, it made a huge difference. I always wondered when I went out to fly and found that the previous pilot had bottomed out the seat...we jokingly passed it off as 'fear of birdstrikes'!

I set my seat in the DC-9 higher than most...out of habit, I suppose...but, to me, it gives me a better look over the nose.

So, you folks can have the same in AH. As I said in the article, not all AH aircraft will allow this mod...those that do, permit a little improvement over the nose, particularly to one side or the other.

All I ask is that it not be labeled a cheat...someone else might disagree and call it 'realism'!!

Andy

[TheWobble]

I made my own sight that uses this "move up" routien, I use it on the f6,tbm andeverything else I fly, i get a little extra peek but i would not say its enough to giv anyone a real advantage in a dogfight, however it DOES help when using rockets and bombs because you have a little better veiw of the target for longer any you can take a shallower angle, oh and in RL Im 6'3 so i dont feel too guilty    

[gospel]

The problem with raising your gunsight and zoomed view is that is also raises the unzoomed forward view.

I can't stand it to not be able to see all of my guages when I "raise the seat" so to speak.  

To each his own, I guess.

I would encourage everyone to read Andy's article at Simhq.com.  There is a lot more to it than just raising your gunsight.

gos

[Lephturn]

Ahh, but there is a solution to that Gatt.

There are really two forward views in AH.  There is "default" (forward) view, and there is a "forward" view that you can map to a key.  Now, on my hat I use the forward position for the 45 degree up forward view, which is very important for dogfighting.  I also use an adjusted upwards gunsight, so I move my seat forward and up a bit in the "default" view and save it.  I then map another joystick key to "forward" view, and I adjust this one down and back for a full view of the intrument panel.  In this way I have an "ACM" view for shooting that works well in the default view, and I can go "head down" and check my panel with a button press on my stick.

It works well.  It doesn't really make much difference, just gives me a bit more visability in the bottom part of the gunsight on the Jug.

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[Jekyll]

If you want to complain about AH views, complain about the ability of the pilot to set his rear view to the 'full forward' position, whilst pulling a 5g turn to clear his 6  

AH gives us all these wonderful, configurable view positions, but to imagine that an average pilot could lean over the dash whilst pulling high G evasives is a little beyond belief don't you think?

How about this for an idea?  If your shoulder and lap straps are loose you can crane around and get all those 'full forward, full up' rear and rear quarter views, BUT your G tolerance is reduced.  Strap yourself tight into the seat and you may not be able to check your 6 so well, but you'll hold the advantage in high G maneuvering  

[Hans]

I blanked out my gunsight so it doesn't exist.  I use tracers to aim, not that head-bobbling distraction of a gunsight.

With the Typhoon and other bubble canopy fighters, you can jack you seat up pretty far and see over the nose better.

Stinks in the 109 and 190s though, but they don't exactly have that much room to move around in the cockpit in real life either, so this is accurate (more or less).

I agree, this is not a cheat.  FYI, navy Hellcat and Corsair aircraft can jack their seats up so far the pilot has to roll the canopy back to get enough headroom.   Either that or press one ear against the top of the canopy bubble and look at the world sideways.

Hans.

[Vulcan]

You're all rutabagas.

I close my eyes and use the force like a real man! Sooner or later one of them couple a hundred hispano rounds will hit somethin...

[Andy Bush]

Jekyll

Your point about freedom of movement in the AH cockpit while pulling heavy G loads has merit. The view customization feature is a great way to increase the view lookout coverage of a particular view (and I use the feature to maximize the lookout on each of my views), but it may not be 'realistic' to some when considering the effect of G on the pilot.

One note...I routinely loosened my seat belt and shoulder straps (which and how varied with type of aircraft)when flying an A2A mission. My objective was to improve my view behind my wingline. Such practice does not have a negative effect on G resistance in most cases. Your point is really academic. No doubt there are body positions that are more susceptible to G than others...but, in the grand scheme of things, that issue is relatively moot in RL A2A maneuvering.

Andy

[AKDejaVu]

 

I do think the front view should be the same for all.
No mods alowed.

EYE

So.. you are arguing for no adjustable head positions at all?  Or just in the forward position?

To be honest.. the gain in the forward view via adjusting head position is minimal compared to the gain in the 6 view.  Why aren't you worried about people doing that?

Oh.. yeah.. its called a troll.

AKDejaVu

[Citabria]

the problem is the view limits on some planes are unrealistic and overly generous

[Beurling]

Nope no troll.

I think all should have to use the same front view to shoot.

The advantage you get is small but enough to help you with the shot.

That extra fraction of a sec it gives you is alot imo. Why its that last little bit of sight right at the time your setting up your shot. Im talking about a turning shot.

I just think the new guys should have the same front view as some one who has been here since beta.

Part of me says its all the little details like this that keeps people here and interested.  

How many never knew of this mod if you read above it seems as alot of guys did not know about it.  


EYE

[easymo]

 Ya Cit, like the P38. Perk it