Author Topic: Panzer IV H vs T-34/76 (43) (Read 3882 times)

Karnak · « **on:** October 01, 2004, 03:03:15 PM »

Panzer IV H
Engine: Maybach HL 120 TRM
Maximum speed: 23.6mph
Cross Country: 9.9mph
Turning Radius: 19.42ft
Ground Pressure: 12.658lbs/in²
Weight: 50,000lbs?
Length w/gun: 23ft 3in
Height: 8ft 9.5in
Width: 9ft 5in
ARMOR
Hull Front, Upper: 80mm@12°
Hull Front, Lower: 80mm@14°
Hull Sides, Upper: 30mm@0°
Hull Sides, Lower: 30mm@0°
Hull Rear: 20mm@8° & 11°
Hull Top: 12mm@85°-90°
Hull Bottom: 10mm@90°
Turret Front: 50mm@10°
Turret Sides: 30mm@26°
Turret Rear: 30mm@15°
Turret Top: 14mm@84°-90°
MAIN ARMAMENT
Gun: 75mm KwK 40 L/48
Muzzle Velocity, PzGr 40: 3,248ft/sec
Armor Penetration at 100m, 30°, PzGr 40: 143mm
Armor Penetration at 500m, 30°, PzGr 40: 120mm
Armor Penetration at 1000m, 30°, PzGr 40: 97mm
Armor Penetration at 1500m, 30°, PzGr 40: 77mm

T-34/76 (43)
Engine: W-2-34
Maximum speed: 34mph
Cross Country: 25mph
Turning Radius: 25.3ft
Ground Pressure: 10.24lbs/in²
Weight: 68,122lbs
Length w/gun: 22ft 1in
Height: 8ft 8in
Width: 9ft 7in
ARMOR
Hull Front, Upper: 47mm@60°
Hull Front, Lower: 45mm
Hull Sides, Upper: 40-45mm
Hull Sides, Lower: 45mm
Hull Rear: 45mm
Hull Top: 20mm
Hull Bottom: 15-20mm
Turret Front: 70mm
Turret Sides: 52mm
Turret Rear: 52mm
Turret Top: 16mm
MAIN ARMAMENT
Gun: 76.2mm F-34 1942 L/41.2
Muzzle Velocity, BR-350P: 3,166ft/sec
Armor Penetration at 100m, 90°, BR-350P: 92mm
Armor Penetration at 500m, 90°, BR-350P: 60mm

Note: Tanks are not my area and all data has been taken from the all knowing Internet, and we all know how reliable that is. Armor sloping is given if I found data for it, if it lacks data it does not mean that it is flat 90°.

brady · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2004, 03:09:43 PM »

Their comperable, in a nut shel the Gun on the Panzer is better, the Gun on the T34 is weaker, but the T34 has better armor, due in part to better sloping, so they in terms of their abaility to kill oneanother are roughly even at normal ranges.

I am happy to see the T34 to be shure though kinda courious how the lack of an AA MG is going to efect it, tanks are extreamly easy to kill from the air, and a T34 will be realy easy given it's lack of AA defense.

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2004, 03:14:33 PM »

I don't know brady, if that penetration data is accurate the T-34/76 has a useless popgun compared to the Panzer IV H. The Panzer's gun is better at a 30° impact than the T-34's is at a 90° impact. That's pretty pathetic.

Looks to me like the Panzer will kill the T-34 much easier than the T-34 will kill the Panzer. The T-34 will be a perk earning tank I think.

It does have a very marked speed advantage though.

brady · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2004, 03:29:39 PM »

The T34 should be able to acheave a kill agasnt the turet on the Panzer from just about any angle and has a decent chance aganst the hull at what is likely to be most of the combat ranges in AH, any side or rear hits from the T34 should kill the Panzer IVH.

The Panzer IVH Given the sloping of the Hull front of the T34 is going to have about as hard a time pentrating the front as the T34 is of the Panzer IVH. The rest of the areras is realy comperable to the comparasions above.

I wounder if the Optics model will be adreased in these tanks, indead in all the tanks be nice to see some historic sights.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2004, 03:37:06 PM »

Hmmm.

The data I posted seems to say that the Panzer will have no trouble penetrating the T-34 at 1500m and the T-34 needs to get within 400m to have a chance at the Panzer.

Urchin · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2004, 04:04:32 PM »

I'll be in a T-34 I think... you want to know the reason? Top speed of 34 mph vs a top speed of 25.

Plus it has more armor and a lower profile, doesn't it?

1K3 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 01, 2004, 04:12:56 PM »

daaaaaaaaaamn

i cant wait to get in a tank match:D

Tilt · « **Reply #7 on:** October 01, 2004, 04:43:13 PM »

Lower , faster, true periscope sight, fording depth 1.27metres (shore lines)

and

how about a load out option to the OT - 34 with the ATO-42 flame thrower (20 shots at 100/120 metres range) instead of the silly 7.62mm hull gun.

No good at firing down off ridges though (gun depression only 3 degrees)

100 rounds in the 43 model

Max effective range 1.5 miles (presumably when considering HE agin buildings)

I reckon the 43 model gives the comanders cupula for better vision out the top turret.

Karnak · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2004, 04:48:26 PM »

Urchin,

It looks like the profiles are very similar. The T-34 has more turret armor and deck armor, but way, way less hull armor.

Panzer IV Hs are going to eat these for lunch if those stats are correct. Taking a T-34/76 angainst the Panzer IV H will feel like taking a Panzer IV H against a Tiger I.

Pyro · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2004, 04:55:47 PM »

Karnak, that penetration value looks a bit suspect. The T-34's BR-350P penetration is usually given at 92mm @ 500m. Of course, there's always the matter of how penetration is defined in a particular data spec.

Pyro · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2004, 05:00:08 PM »

I think it will match up with the IV very well. Don't discount the sloped armor when looking at the specs. The T-34/85 would eat up the IV so that will probably roll out when we do the Panther.

brady · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2004, 05:01:16 PM »

Karnak I think bud your exagerating it a bit, Realy I beelave the two to be fairly well matched, though Historicaly the Germans had better sights, I dont think we will see this in AH, unless Pyro wants to spend the time on it.

Karnak · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2004, 05:07:08 PM »

Thanks Pyro. I'll wait and see.

Honestly I was a quite unsure of the numbers I posted and was waiting for somebody to post corrected numbers to show me how silly I was being.

As to the aircraft, the extra 8mm of deck armor over the Panzer IV H's 12mm deck armor will probably be of great help in the T-34's survival against aircraft.

Tails · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2004, 05:39:57 PM »

Also, dont discount a tank's coaxial gun as a defensive weapon against planes. If you have the time to swing the turret around, and the plane is at a low enough angle, you may be able to hose him a little.

Atleast, it works with the Panzer, the few times I drive it

Pongo · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2004, 05:46:47 PM »

It has a much less effective HE shell. About 60%.
The T34 has 70mm of equivilent frontal hull armour. Not even including the superior quality of the german steel.
The Panzer IV has 90 mm equivelent.
The T34 penetrates 71mm at 500 meters
The Panzer IV penetrates 114 at 500 meters. 85mm at 1000 meters.64mm at 2000m....
if they model them correctly it will not be fun to fight Panzer IVHs in T34-76s.

No AAMG

Not to mention. Way slower rate of fire because it has a 2 man turrent crew. The comander is the loader. The only reasonable way to model that would be to limit the rate of fire to 1 per minute if the comanders position is used. T34-76s where fought buttoned up.

The T34-85 is equivilent to the late model Panzer IV.
Sure the 76 model and the Panzer IV can kill each other. But the advantage is much to the favour of the Panzer.