Author Topic: Refresh my memory, please, about HOs (Read 2060 times)

Raider179 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 02, 2004, 01:01:33 PM »

if your outnumbered you can expect to get shot down. who cares if its a ho or someone on your 6. Pick your fights a lil better. You are gonna get hoed sometimes but you can avoid most of them. I for one have never been in a HO (with both of us Head-On) that I didnt agree to be in. (didnt manuever from it) Now if you mean that one sec while you are turning you get hoed, well thats aircombat for ya, unpredictable.

phookat · « **Reply #16 on:** October 02, 2004, 01:06:06 PM »

Good points mars.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #17 on:** October 02, 2004, 01:10:10 PM »

LOL first no body has enough bribing bait to ever have anything done about HO's or near HO's

second: if HTC did decide to institute a cone range sort of like that older sim had, you would never hear the whining stop.

but, if people wanted to stay after such a thing was inplace, they just might get back to the ACM side of the game, and then they might even enjoy AH, that much more............

prob be a cold day in hell before it would ever happen.......lol

oh yeah...btw if you look back thru all the threads on HO's you can easily see who is a HO and who is pimping HO's and who go by the straight and narrow!

Guppy35 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 02, 2004, 01:27:28 PM »

I can't speak for WBs as I never flew it, but I imagine there are a lot of us old AW flyers who were 'raised' to believe Headons were about as bad as it gets in terms of dweebishness.

I know for the longest time I couldn't bring myself to fire at what appeared to be the never ending procession of headon shots I was getting thrown at me.

I'll confess to taking some snapshots back since then, but it's still easier to duck out of the way. And as you look over your shoulder you find out soon enough if the guy is going to stay in and fight, or head for the next county and avoid the fight.

At this point it's on me if the headon gets me. I can't dictate how the other guy flies so it's up to me to avoid it and not worry about it.

Dan/Slack

mars01 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 02, 2004, 02:11:59 PM »

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if your outnumbered you can expect to get shot down. who cares if its a ho or someone on your 6.

LOL Maybe you do.

Yeah honestly I get shot down in those situations alot, and a few times I actually win. That is really a kick. But when you are finally getting position and have been flying your prettythang off, it sucks to get cheap shoted.

Thanks Phoo.

Raider179 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 02, 2004, 02:22:41 PM »

you won a 4 on 1? lol

blutic · « **Reply #21 on:** October 02, 2004, 03:07:38 PM »

If you are low and slow and cant manuver,
and HO presents itself? Take the shot, turn and you die, Dont take the shot and you are a fool.

SunKing · « **Reply #22 on:** October 02, 2004, 03:12:07 PM »

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Originally posted by blutic
If you are low and slow and cant manuver,
and HO presents itself? Take the shot, turn and you die, Dont take the shot and you are a fool.

True, but the issue is the guy thats higher, at speeed that dives HO's, misses , dives & extend, turn, HO attempts again , misses dive run repeat. Just straight line flying, no ACM at all.

mars01 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 02, 2004, 03:40:10 PM »

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you won a 4 on 1? lol

Only twice, it is a rare occasion.

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If you are low and slow and cant manuver,
and HO presents itself? Take the shot, turn and you die, Dont take the shot and you are a fool.

Yeah, it depends on my mood. Sometimes I wont take the ho because it is cheap, especially if it has been a good fight! The other guy flew better and earned it. So no your not always a fool for not taking the last resort cheap shot, sometimes your a better sport for not taking it.

If on the other hand the guy reverses and flies right in front of me, I'm taking the shot. Big differecne tho.

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True, but the issue is the guy thats higher, at speeed that dives HO's, misses , dives & extend, turn, HO attempts again , misses dive run repeat. Just straight line flying, no ACM at all.

Exactly!

blutic · « **Reply #24 on:** October 02, 2004, 03:55:50 PM »

Yeah, it depends on my mood. Sometimes I wont take the ho because it is cheap, especially if it has been a good fight! The other guy flew better and earned it. So no your not always a fool for not taking the last resort cheap shot, sometimes your a better sport for not taking it.

In the past you may have been right, if you dont take the shot now, rest assured the other person will.

Rino · « **Reply #25 on:** October 02, 2004, 04:33:11 PM »

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Originally posted by eilif
wow that was a wild p38 story! where did you get that one guppy? i was unclear of the ending, was it edited, im assuming he lost the 109 and went home, leaving his buddys to die. sheesh he was flying at compression speed to get out of there. wild wild story whew.

Try Aces against Germany by Eric Hammel, excellent read.
He also has several other aces books out, all first hand
accounts from the pilots themselves.

Krusty · « **Reply #26 on:** October 02, 2004, 05:00:21 PM »

But we all know that first-hand accounts are NOT historical fact, and that hindsight, the excitement of the moment, faulty memories, or even just plain ignorance, can make people claim something as fact that is not ("shooting the ground in front of panzers will kill them" and, in this case what makes me suspicious is "reached 600mph")

Take EVERYTHING, even PILOT TESTIMONY, as suspect until proven. Pilots were young, rushed through flight school, and many not as educated as some of the people browsing this simple forum. They did brave things, yes. Were they Einsteins? No!

simshell · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2004, 05:13:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
you won a 4 on 1? lol

i won a 6-1

1 time

SCDR · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2004, 05:22:27 PM »

I'ld like to thank the people that took the time to reply
constructively. The people that THINK this was a "whine",
well BITE ME!:D

I got the info I expected and the semi-slams I knew were coming.

SCDR

flyingaround · « **Reply #29 on:** October 02, 2004, 05:57:55 PM »

Many excellent points.

I get a kick out of the "I only HO sometimes" or "I only HO when I feel like it" replies. Them funny.

The guys that face shoot are usually at the "bottom" ish of the learning curve. It's where they are at. When you type on Chn200 "nice ho dweeb" your not doing anything to help 'em. You MIGHT consider, if you say anything at all, offering to take them into the TA and showing them "HOW" to merge. Then they can move "up" the curve, and next time you meet 'em they will give you a better fight.

Guys that face shoot are easy kills. Period. If you have a problem killing them, then maybe grab a trainer so you can learn how to "USE" their lack of skill against 'em. Ghost has said it best so far. Jink your plane so they don't have an easy shot, and start a lead turn. I tend to do a combined yoyo/barrel roll thing, depending on the situation (i.e. co-E, they got E. etc.) You are already reversing as they are still blazing away, and by the time they re-aquire you, you SHOULD be on their 6 and well on the way to saddeling 'em up and making them go boom.

There ARE times when you are being jumped by multiple con's, are low on E, and you face shoot one just to even the odds. That's perf. acceptable. Alls fair in love and war. BUT if that is your primary move, you have alot of learning to do. Then only time I consider a HO is when a perk ride is near. I will HO a 262 all day long.

It's the guys that come diving in with tons of E, face shoot, zoom back up, rinse and repeat that get old. BUT all that really means is you have to fly smart, constantly hold/conserve your E, and try to level out the planes relative E states. Then you simply kill 'em by using their "lack" of tactics against 'em. Many "top ranked" pilots fall into this catagory (the dweeby face shooting, one trick, no real skill catagory that is...) Many of the top 10 ranked pilots do that move almost to exclusion. If they HAVE to fight, as in use ACM, they die. I get the biggest chuckles out of killing them 'cause they should at least KNOW better. Don't get me wrong, if i'm tooling around and I have alt, I wil b/z 'em, but that is usually to blow their E, or set 'em up for the kill. Expect me to mix it up.

Most of the people you see "whining" on ch200 re. ho's need to consider the following. Did they die because they face shot and lost, or because of something stupid they did. Either way it's THEIR own fault, and if they are mad at anyone, it should be themself. That also applies to all the "uber" sticks that get low, slow, with no E, surrounded by enemy, and then Whine like babies when they die. Sure it was a 12 on 1, but they put theirself in that position in the 1st place. Don't wanna die being ganged? Don't blow all your E and get surrounded.

Hmmm..... trying to think of anything else I wanna complain about........ drawing blanks. I will get back to ya's.

Oh and btw, if anybody wants any help, feel free to grab me and we can go to the TA, or DA and I will happily show you how to not only avoid the HO, but how to use it to kill 'em.