Russian school amssacre

[Boroda]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I am simply saying, Russia has now empowered itself to invade any country it sees fit, wtihout any aprroval of the UN. This is a mammoth bypass of  international laws.  These new rules are brought about by a commando raid by a chechyan terror group on a group of schoolchildren.  

What you quote is just a silly statement of a General Staff official. Many officials already stated that he "exaggerated" a little.

As for me - if our government will try to employ our Armed Forces against some distant countries - I'll go out to the streets protesting, even when I know it will be useless and dangerous.

What I see now is that our Armed Forces probably need to use power against direct invasions from Georgia that openly hosts terrorists and threatens to kill Russian citizens. Georgian lunatic president is so high with American political assistance that he declares he will order to sink ships with Russian tourists in Abkhazia.

Russian Army must do it's best to protect Russian citizens, even those who live in Abkhazia and South Osetia. 70-90% of population there have Russian passports. And army should burn terrorist nests in Georgia with napalm, and spit on "national independance" of this terrorist-supporting US ally. We have all rights to defend from invasion. They come with a sword.

 

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
How can u be so sure that the russians are telling us the truth?  I am not trying to insult you, I just cannot understand how you can just gobble up every offcial story, so long as they say, 'bad terorist did it'?

Why should Russians tell you lies? In 1944 the Chechen problem was solved in 24 hours. Don't you think that this can't be repeated? The problem is that some powers including some political groups in Russia and abroad need this war. This creatures deserve elimination even more then that bearded illiterate Chechen highlanders...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Boroda


blah blah blah... America's fault... blah blah blah...

[Boroda]

????

Mr. Rumsfeld stated that "US will take all nessesary measures to protect Georgia from any agressor" while Russia was insisting on removing terrorist bases from Pankisi Gorge.

Mr. Saakashvili stated that Georgian "navy" will sink all vessels with "so-called Russian tourists" on board in Abkhazian waters while he was in the US on official visit. Must be nice to greet and shake hands with a loony who orders sinking civilian ships with tourists aboard.

It's not "america's fault". It's a well-known Western policy of double-standards. Some terrorists are more equal then others and deserve political asylum.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Boroda
It's a well-known Western policy of double-standards.

Careful there Boroda. "Western" is a very general term.

[GRUNHERZ]

Cry me a river Boroda..

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Careful there Boroda. "Western" is a very general term.

Sorry.

So far Western press and officials almost unanimously blame Russia for "human rights violations" against poor Chechen population. Chechens are "freedom fighters opressed by evil Russians" while their crimes are completely unknown, and noone knows about genocide they practiced since 1991...

BTW, isn't your country a NATO member? Standard politics: those who fight Russians are NATO friends

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Boroda
BTW, isn't your country a NATO member? Standard politics: those who fight Russians are NATO friends

Yes, Norway is a member of NATO

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Yes, Norway is a member of NATO

Unfortunately, some things never change. NATO is still aimed at Russia, moves towards it's borders and there is nothing we, ordinary people, can do about it. Now NATO has airbases in fascist Baltic states, and Leningrad (SPb) is inside NATO tactical aviation range

For 15 years USSR/Russia is eager for peace and cooperation, while gentlemen from Brussels are still thinking of us as of targets

[GRUNHERZ]

Oh yes we just wanna blow up russia..  Not a day goes by that the US president and his counterparts in western europe arent preoccupied with their schemes against the  motherland..

[Nilsen]

Is that how the average Russian still feels Boroda?

[Suave]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
In response to your top paragraph, a number of colmbine style school massacres were thwarted before children died.  A proactive approach by the police prevented the crime, this is niether nat'l security or warfare.  So , although elequintly written, your top paragraph is false.

Your middle paragraph is absolutely correct.  And this is where i part ways the majority of folks here.  I believe it is important to punish the guilty.  Guilty is a legal term, it requires a 'verdict', which requires presented evidence, both prosecutory and defensive.  This is necessary to prevent 'frame ups'.  the procedure here, which has been legislated away by the patriot act in some situations, is called a trial.  We can spend countless billions on 2 wars, but we cant have a trial to legitimaize them?


Your last paragraph is obvious.  Get them before they get us.  It also forces thier hands into getting us before we get them.

If colombine style attacks were thwarted it does not invalidate what I said in the first paragraph. If you believe it does then there's a falacy in your logic. Can anybody tell me what it its called? Anybody.. anybody?

As far as my second paragraph, warfare should NEVER be undertaken for such things as petty as revenge or judicial punishment, and as far as I can recall the last time the US military was involved in anything remotely related to retribution, as opposed to prevention, was WWI. Which some will say was a war started by a country avenging an assisination. Of course I believe that opinion to be incorrect, but that's another topic.

Again, trying to attribute the rule of law  to war is pointless and illogical. War is beyond law, war is murder. War starts where law ends. The only law that wont hinder us when protecting ourself from the antisocial inhumans is the law of the jungle. Trying to dress up the monster of war in the trappings of legality or judicial process is sick.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Is that how the average Russian still feels Boroda?

Average Russian is too busy surviving.

Russians who have understanding of current international situation are surprised.

Most of the Russians understood that Soviet propaganda was right and NATO is our enemy in 1999 when they raped Yugoslavia supporting Moslim terrorists.

Since late 80s we were too happy thinking that West wants to help us.

I read left-radical newspapers, listen to right-wing liberal radio station (echo.msk.ru) and watch national TV channels. And for most of the people here NATO is a deadly enemy since 1999.

[Suave]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Is that how the average Russian still feels Boroda?

Thankfully no, russians, in my experience,  in general are very rational and can smell BS from a week away. If you think Boroda's views are representative of average russians you should talk to more russians, and former soviets.

[GRUNHERZ]

Oh the poor raping and pillaging genocidal Serbs as the victim in yet another Boroda post... Oh no..

[Boroda]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh the poor raping and pillaging genocidal Serbs as the victim in yet another Boroda post... Oh no..

Genocide accusations were removed from Miloshevich's "case".

I just want to show you the point when most of the Russians suddenly undrstood that the former enemy still remains the enemy. And it's not my personal distorted view. 12 rows of traffic on Garden Ring passing by American embasy were pressing on the horn button....