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Offline TweetyBird

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« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2004, 09:54:33 PM »
>>The popular vote means absolutely nothing. The Electoral College will decide who is president, not us.
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Well it matters in battleground states. I wouldn't break a leg getting to the polls in California.
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« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2004, 09:57:16 PM »
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I won't even bother to vote for Bush or Kerry. The popular vote means absolutely nothing. The Electoral College will decide who is president, not us.

I wont worry about who is in office as President ever because I have absolutely NO control over who gets there.


wrong, wrong and wrong.
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« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2004, 10:00:24 PM »
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I won't even bother to vote for Bush or Kerry. The popular vote means absolutely nothing. The Electoral College will decide who is president, not us.

I wont worry about who is in office as President ever because I have absolutely NO control over who gets there.


Colorado is *highly* in play....
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« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2004, 10:03:32 PM »
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wrong, wrong and wrong.


I'm not wrong. There is absolutely NOTHING that requires the Electoral College to vote the same way the popular vote goes. Until that changes any votes for President by your average Joe Citizen are absolutely meaninless.
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« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2004, 10:04:15 PM »
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Colorado is *highly* in play....


Doesnt matter imo since it's the EC votes that actually count and not mine.
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« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2004, 10:06:24 PM »
I don't follow you....
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« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2004, 10:18:15 PM »
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Doesnt matter imo since it's the EC votes that actually count and not mine.


You vote in Colorado, and the "popular" vote in Colorado decides how the state casts it's vote for President. Colorado is a swing state, but even if it were not, your vote counts.

The EC ensures you have a voice....if there were no EC, New York and California would decide the elections.
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« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2004, 10:26:14 PM »
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I don't follow you....


Nash, there is no law that requires the Electoral Collage to vote according to the popular vote of their respective states. Never has been one and most likely never will be one either. At least twice the Electoral College hasnt followed the popular vote. I forget which Presidents though.

IF (and thats a huge if) I were to go and vote for the president, the Electoral Collage can, if it so chooses, ignore the popular vote and cast their votes however they choose.

You show me how MY vote counts when the Electoral College can vote opposite of the popular vote. (Thats assuming I had voted for the candidate that had won the popular vote).

During Presidential elections they never wait for all the popular vote to come in. There are always absentee ballots and such. The winner is declared after all the Electoral Collage votes are in.
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« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2004, 10:30:38 PM »
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You vote in Colorado, and the "popular" vote in Colorado decides how the state casts it's vote for President. Colorado is a swing state, but even if it were not, your vote counts.

The EC ensures you have a voice....if there were no EC, New York and California would decide the elections.


There is no law that requires the EC to vote the same way  as the popular vote. The EC can and has, voted against the popular vote in the past.
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« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2004, 10:31:31 PM »
Sorry, but I think you're being kind of paranoid.....
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« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2004, 10:43:04 PM »
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There is no law that requires the EC to vote the same way  as the popular vote. The EC can and has, voted against the popular vote in the past.


yeah, your right... not voting gives you a lot more say than voting does.
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« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2004, 10:46:21 PM »
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I'm not wrong. There is absolutely NOTHING that requires the Electoral College to vote the same way the popular vote goes. Until that changes any votes for President by your average Joe Citizen are absolutely meaninless.


I think this is determined by the state.
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« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2004, 10:55:02 PM »
Elfie has a good point.

In practical terms though, it is extremely likely that CO's electoral votes will go with the CO popular vote.

But it does seem silly that they don't put it in writing.  Is there any particular reason they don't?
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« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2004, 11:16:04 PM »
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Elfie has a good point.

In practical terms though, it is extremely likely that CO's electoral votes will go with the CO popular vote.

But it does seem silly that they don't put it in writing.  Is there any particular reason they don't?


It's my understanding that it has been tryed (on a federal level) but never passed through Congress.

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I think this is determined by the state.


I believe it is determined on a Federal level since its a Federal election. (Could be wrong on that though)

Nash, how am I being paranoid? Fact is, the Electoral Collage can and has overruled the popular vote in the past. Did the popular vote count then? I think we both know the answer to that :) Just because the Electoral Collage *usually* votes with the popular vote doesnt make my (or yours) vote more meaningful to me. As long as the Electoral College has the option of over ruling the popular vote my vote and yours are meaningless imo.
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« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2004, 11:20:38 PM »
You're saying that *nobody* should bother voting. You know that, right?
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