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Offline beet1e

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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2004, 04:26:08 PM »
He Mr. Coffee I enjoyed your two walls of text. I was in the US at the time of the 1992 Pres. election, and followed it closely. That's when I found out about this electoral college business. It seems to be a way of achieving what we here in Blighty understand as "Proportional Representation", in that greater weight is given to the votes of the more heavily populated states, like CA which (if I recall) has 32 electoral college votes compared with another large state like Nebraska which has only about 5.

OIO if not American, where are you from? Just curious...

Anyone who has lived in a foreign country will know two things: The way that the foreign country reports news in his home country is BS, and the way that his home country reports news about his host country is also BS.

In 1981, Britain was experiencing riots in places like Croxteth & Toxteth in Liverpool. They were protesting about Maggie's abolition of the cloth cap culture. The US news reports made it sound like a civil war was about to break out. All BS, of course. I called my brother and he said there were some riots, with ultra melons wanting to have a punch up with the police. Otherwise, "life goes on much the same"...

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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2004, 04:36:16 PM »
I'm more concise than MrCoffe :
electoral college suck
and the people defending this system suck more than a potato.

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2004, 05:02:45 PM »
Lasz,

I don't think you're quite right in your analysis. It's not that people outside of America think that Bush is evil. It's more that he's stupid but well meaning.

Hope this clears things up for you.

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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2004, 05:25:48 PM »
I don't think hate has anything to do with it... I think it's just easy to bait people regarding the elections.  Afterall, I've seen posts on the BBS regarding the US elections for months and months and months and months and months (etc!!) and I personally find it quite amusing seeing the American's on this board constantly arguing about it all.  Republicans.... Democrats.... someone gets flamed... must be too liberal I guess?! :)  I also noticed how people get so defensive about their president whether they like him or not.  In the UK we all know Blair is an ignorant, stuck up idiot and most welcome taunts because we can see through what he is.  I think it all comes down to culture and what people are used to.  Since the US is the 'big boy on the block', you really should be used to the negative press about everything by now?  People always want to knock the person off the top whether they're right to do so or not, it's just a part of life.
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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2004, 06:07:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Fishu
Something to do with Bush's arrogance towards the other world.
When the french refused to join the Iraq crusade, Bush himself said along the lines "it was a silly decision for french"..  he actually addressed the decision with the word 'silly'.

When there was no WMD found or nothing that he so highly praised Saddam being guilty of, he suddenly was saying that friends do sometimes have indifferences (well, close to that)
He should've at least apologized in some level, instead of excusing it off with a yet another excuse.

Thats the way Bush has been.

It'd be a big outcry if an european president would say the same of the USA decisions and an apology would be more than demanded.
French hasn't officially required for an apology.
Oh.. and we do have an example: some german ex-minister, who was not a minister at the time anymore, compared Bush to Hitler or something alike and he was made to apologize it.
Nobody has asked Bush to apologize his actions or words against France.


Fishu....I never objected when that Canadian lady, whatever position she holds, called Bush an idiot and I certainly don't remember outcrys for apologies. Being called Hitler and being called silly are two seperate things, and if you get that upset over being called silly...OMG...that's just...silly .

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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2004, 06:38:35 PM »
im from Colombia beetle.


And its correct when its said that the way other countries report on yours is BS and viceversa.


However, its when you see how other countries report on each other that you get to see what people in those countries are told about other countries.

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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2004, 06:42:00 PM »
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I guess the difference is that Americans are not obsessed with voting in your elections or trying to sway people in your countries to vote for a democratic republic type of government or away from socialism.

This is more than a subtle difference.  you say you are amazed at the lack of understanding Americans show toward countries that are currently attacking it?   Not sure I understand what you are saying...  who doesn't dislike people attacking their country?

lazs
I agree that some non Americans are obsessive about the US elections but as Moot pointed out, America rules the world as far as super powers go. It makes sense the rest of the world is going to be far more interested in US elections than the US is in theirs. Give it 20 years and China might be deflecting some of the crap away from the US.

Plus I can understand people getting patriotic and disliking criticism but what amazes me is how much time and energy people put into it. I can only react a certain amount of times to hearing I live in a dank socialist hell hole before it fails to really register.

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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2004, 06:48:15 PM »
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I can only react a certain amount of times to hearing I live in a dank socialist hell hole before it fails to really register.


Nailed it...

It's the same with me and the "foreigner" posts. At first I used to answer; now they barely register.

All I know is that these types of posts tend to dissapear when they feel secure and happy about life, and re-emerge when they feel insecure. Other than that, I could care less about some of the Yank's here's sense of entitlement to, what, this BBS?
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2004, 06:54:53 PM »
Nash:

'Couldn't care less'

please, please, please!

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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2004, 06:57:30 PM »
d'oh. you are of course correct. been reading this BBS too much.

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2004, 07:05:20 PM »
I'm only a right wing Nazi when it comes to language!

Carry on, I'm enjoying your posts as usual!

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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2004, 07:06:13 PM »
I find it a little ironic that you're saying others are vitrolic about something, lazs2. :)

I don't think you're really interested in hearing a serious response to your guesses. You're just looking for counter-punching opportunities to throw out the same, old snappy, 'this-ought-to-stir-the-pot', randomly generated words from the limited lazs2 talking-point list.

Americans are not the only people with a stake in American elections and America. The U.S. is the only economic and military 800 lb. bear in the woods and all policies of the bear have a direct impact on people across the world. If you lived outside the U.S., you'd be very interested in what the bear was doing also.

The policies of America also have an important financial impact on investment. America's deficit is funded by whom? If you say it is funded by future generations of Americans, then you are misinformed. It is funded more by foreign investment in U.S. paper than by domestic investment.

Others are no more "violently anti-Bush" than you are violently anti-Kerry. You're just scarier because you're a gun fanatic. :) Your inflammatory style could actually be contributing to people hoping (and acting) toward a Kerry victory.

Think about it, lazs. A normal human being reading your posts - not knowing that you are actually just kidding - might think that you were a member of some sort of radical, extremist, well-armed, fringe, militia group bent on overthrowing the U.S. government and replacing it with a wilderness anarchy. :D

But seriously, Americans are, for the most part, not hated overseas. Some recent American policies are disliked though. Many countries that have been supporters of the U.S. and considered themselves to be allied with the U.S. on many issues are now being isolated by the U.S.

How quickly you have forgotten the outpouring of support from across the world to America and Americans after the 9-11 incident. It is the policies of President Bush since then that has caused the overwhelming negative feelings in U.S. allies.

They have been dragged into a war that has no possible stable outcome. The entire middle-east situation has been a mess for generations and Iraq has no better chance of being any more stable than the long-running Palestinian-Israeli situation.

They were dragged into it by duress. The, "You are either with us or against us," comment by President Bush was particularly disturbing to many.

Many people outside the U.S. feel that the recent policies of President Bush have done more to de-stablize and polarize the world that they live in than Iraq ever did.

The U.S. isn't exactly the leading light in the world for unbiased media. Media bias is no better or worse anywhere else than it is in the U.S. One difference in media is that there is not media censorship like the U.S. is going through right now.

People outside the U.S. are allowed to see more graphic photos and TV images of what 'collateral damage' really means for the over 10,000 civilians, women and children killed and 70,000 wounded so far. You aren't allowed to see those images, or even the caskets of your own dead in the U.S. I have to believe that that has a profound effect when people ask themselves the question, "Now, why are we supporting this war in Iraq again?"

Sometimes those who are a few steps removed can see things with a broader view. Many people felt the 'evidence' of Iraqi WMD presented before the world, and the 'evidence' that Saddam Hussein could deliver them quickly, on demand, were the points that made even skeptics say that perhaps we had better give tacit approval to U.S. action to disarm him. Those two points gave the slight nudge to those sitting on the fence.

It may not matter if everyone was deceived or the administration was incompetent - the result is the same. The captain of the ship is telling the passengers to stay the course and they are either with him or against him. But he is blind to the field of icebergs he has steered the ship, with all the passengers, barrelling into at flank speed.
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2004, 07:15:43 PM »
Rolex,

the real sadness is that I believe that Lasz has little or no experience of travelling outside of his own country, so he's stringing a lot of guesswork together to make an idiotic conclusion.

Lasz (bless him) has a very black and white view on life and cannot see any shades of grey which don't register on his radar. Condescending on my part? Definitely yes. But I would not presume to lecture Lasz on the relative merits on guns for particular uses. He should not presume to lecture us on the relative merits of international politics as he lives in a very small bubble and has very little international experience.

(Sorry Lasz)

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« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2004, 07:21:34 PM »
Lazs actually travelled to England once. I know about it because I know that he felt nekkid without his gun there. I don't wanna knock too seriously at Lazs, cuz the guy is kind of endearing in an odd way, but I have a feeling that he was one of those tourists that complain that they "don't understand the money".

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« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2004, 07:25:25 PM »
ravells: I agree completely with you, sir. I think it's fair to add that exploring the world only in print or through the internet is not a good substitute for 1st-hand experience.