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Offline AcId

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« on: October 05, 2004, 01:00:36 PM »
Got this in an email today . . . . .




Sometimes Politicians can exclaim; "It's just a tax cut for the rich!", and it is just accepted to be fact. But what does that really mean? Just in case you are not completely clear on this issue, we hope the following will help.
 
This is how the cookie crumbles. Please read it carefully.
 
Tax Cuts - A Simple Lesson in Economics
 
Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
 
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh $7.
The eighth $12.
The ninth $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
 
So, that's what they decided to do.
 
The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
 
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20."
 
So, now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
 
So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share'?
 
The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being 'PAID' to eat their meal.
 
So, the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
 
And so:
 
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings). The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
 
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
 
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $10!"
 
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too.  It's unfair that he got ten times more than me!"
 
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
 
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
 
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
 
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
 
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean.
 
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Distinguished Professor of Economics
536 Brooks Hall
University of Georgia

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2004, 01:29:02 PM »
funny, was just talking about this at lunch.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2004, 01:29:57 PM »
Flat tax!!

No free rides!
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2004, 02:00:05 PM »
Actually you would need a total of 20 guys in this example to represent the correct ratio of the population (The percentage of the real wealthy was actually around 3% even further excluding them from the other 97%). This model would be true if if 10 percent of the popultaion was wealthy and 40 percent were on welfare.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2004, 02:05:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
Flat tax!!


What he said ^^^
With some free rides (Incentive-based free rides)

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2004, 02:20:32 PM »
Flat tax is a good idea. Also when you empower the middle class you empower America and its core values. Thats what makes America strong.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2004, 03:33:31 PM »
what your story doesn't tell you is that the wealthiest guy ate steak and lobster and had enough food left over to feed his family for the rest of their lives.

as the weeks progressed he saved up this excess food, he then would trade it back to the owner in exchange for better service, higher quality food, and to have the owner make sure the math comes out on his side when the time comes to re-evaluate the bill again.

meanwhile the other 9 end up getting less and less of lower and lower quality food, while paying an ever increasing share of the bill.



your analogy is correct but it only looks at one side of the facts.

very similar to the way people who like to often quote that "the wealthiest 20% of the population pay roughly 80% of the taxes"  are almost never seen to follow it up with the "the wealthiest 5% control roughly 95% of the wealth".

the thing is that the very rich don't often have wages, and with Bush's tax cuts a much higher amount of their wealth isn't even taxable.  for example the tax cuts on privately owned stock dividends, most working class people only own stock through their pension plans (not privately owned, not covered in the tax cuts), while those wealthy enough to have a significant amount of their income through dividends had a large percentage of their income untaxed.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2004, 04:08:44 PM »
lol you said "your story" "your analogy" funny, I don't remeber writing it but your general response is typical of what the whiners would say........ I thought the services that our taxes paid for were available to all americans

I assumed all meals were equal and fair, guess thats what I get huh.

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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2004, 04:16:10 PM »
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
what your story doesn't tell you is that the wealthiest guy ate steak and lobster and had enough food left over to feed his family for the rest of their lives.

as the weeks progressed he saved up this excess food, he then would trade it back to the owner in exchange for better service, higher quality food, and to have the owner make sure the math comes out on his side when the time comes to re-evaluate the bill again.

meanwhile the other 9 end up getting less and less of lower and lower quality food, while paying an ever increasing share of the bill.



your analogy is correct but it only looks at one side of the facts.

very similar to the way people who like to often quote that "the wealthiest 20% of the population pay roughly 80% of the taxes"  are almost never seen to follow it up with the "the wealthiest 5% control roughly 95% of the wealth".

the thing is that the very rich don't often have wages, and with Bush's tax cuts a much higher amount of their wealth isn't even taxable.  for example the tax cuts on privately owned stock dividends, most working class people only own stock through their pension plans (not privately owned, not covered in the tax cuts), while those wealthy enough to have a significant amount of their income through dividends had a large percentage of their income untaxed.


but considering the bottom half were eating for free anyways :rolleyes:

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2004, 04:20:28 PM »
My Daddy always taught me to worry about my deal, not other peoples.  That seems to be the problem with Liberals;  they worry about what I have instead of what they have.  The two things are not related, unless you are a Democrat.

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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2004, 05:21:26 PM »
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they worry about what I have instead of what they have.  The two things are not related, unless you are a Democrat.
or socialist
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2004, 08:20:02 PM »
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My Daddy always taught me to worry about my deal, not other peoples.  That seems to be the problem with Liberals;  they worry about what I have instead of what they have.  The two things are not related, unless you are a Democrat.


good advice, unless your services come from, and your money goes into the same pot.  in that case when the other guy gets a good deal it comes at your expense.

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2004, 08:25:26 PM »
Money I pay in IS my deal.

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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2004, 11:12:25 PM »
The problem is that $100 worth of meal ends up costing $400 and you still have to tip the 50 waiters.

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2004, 11:03:08 AM »
Good once Acid.  I always enjoy reading that.
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