Author Topic: sKerry will win "the popular vote" (Read 1392 times)

Yeager · « **on:** October 05, 2004, 01:45:47 PM »

by 1 million, perhaps 1.5 million individual votes cast

But........

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

rpm · « **Reply #1 on:** October 05, 2004, 01:55:46 PM »

Regardless of who wins what, the electoral college is severely outdated. It was designed as a sort of messenger service in the 1700's when gathering the voting results from all the States was just short of a space launch, technically speaking.

straffo · « **Reply #2 on:** October 05, 2004, 01:58:34 PM »

What is the etymology of the word democracy ?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #3 on:** October 05, 2004, 02:19:13 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Regardless of who wins what, the electoral college is severely outdated. It was designed as a sort of messenger service in the 1700's when gathering the voting results from all the States was just short of a space launch, technically speaking.

Yea but how would you feel if ONE STATE controlled who the presidency was because of population density.

How would californians like it if every 4 years some redneck cowboy from texas got elected because texas had the greatest population.....

Or reverse

How would texans feel if a liberal hippie from california got elected every time.

The electoral college is to level the playing field so one states population does not determine the outcome of an election.

But I think Yeager is wrong.....this election is going to be won/lost in a couple court rooms.

Wotan · « **Reply #4 on:** October 05, 2004, 02:21:41 PM »

Demos, but the United States of America is a Republic.

When our Nation was founded the States didn't want a large intrusive Federal government like we have today.

There were many discussions as how to select the president. Some wanted to have the Congress elect the president, some wanted the State legislators to elect the president. Some wanted the president to be directly elected by the popular vote.

In our early history our "democracy" was extremely limited. An oligarchy of wealthy land owning white men thought the general public was too stupid and to easy manipulated to have such a responsibility. In many ways they were right.

They came up with a "College of Electors" similar to how the Catholic Church’s College of Cardinals selects a Pope and similar to Centurial Assembly system of the Roman Republic.

They didn't just make it up out of thin air. It works well and certainly doesn’t need to be tampered with just because some liberals deem it "out dated".

Gunslinger · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2004, 02:25:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan

They didn't just make it up out of thin air. It works well and certainly doesn’t need to be tampered with just because some liberals deem it "out dated".

If Gore had one the electoral votes and lost the popular they'd be saying the exact opposite.

ALL ABOUT BUSH

Wotan · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2004, 02:30:03 PM »

Of course it is.

narsus · « **Reply #7 on:** October 05, 2004, 03:27:20 PM »

I think getting rid of the electoral college would be a huyge mistake. Remember folks we are the United "STATES" of America, if we ditch it then every election would be determined by the big cities and all others would be left behind. Hell I live damn close to NYC and I sure as hell don't want to see that.

Wotan · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2004, 03:32:25 PM »

Exactly, those in rural low density areas will be ignored as politicians simply campaign within the large population centers.

This good for liberals but bad for America.

-MZ- · « **Reply #9 on:** October 05, 2004, 03:58:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
Exactly, those in rural low density areas will be ignored as politicians simply campaign within the large population centers.

Why not? We're paying for everything.

Eagler · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2004, 04:01:05 PM »

never say this but..

you are wrong sir

Bush will win both

-MZ- · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2004, 04:01:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
They came up with a "College of Electors" similar to how the Catholic Church’s College of Cardinals selects a Pope

They originally had regular elections but there was too much violence.

Eagler · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2004, 05:01:54 PM »

try this map from a right wing rag

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/election-test-fl,0,1851284.flash?coll=la-home-headlines

Sandman · « **Reply #13 on:** October 05, 2004, 05:11:05 PM »

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Originally posted by -MZ-
Why not? We're paying for everything.

The dirty secret... those that support the electoral college are socialists.

Sandman · « **Reply #14 on:** October 05, 2004, 05:12:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
try this map from a right wing rag

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/election-test-fl,0,1851284.flash?coll=la-home-headlines

208 electoral votes still up for grabs...

landslide?