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Offline Lizking

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2004, 07:31:20 PM »
But before you start calling me a Ricer, My wife still drives her Expedition.

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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2004, 07:43:48 PM »
You can get 500+ hp out of the LS6 that powers the CTS-V for a whole bunch less than $25k.......................
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2004, 07:44:14 PM »
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But before you start calling me a Ricer, My wife still drives her Expedition.


Then I take it that she will have no trouble  picking up that 3 foot tall wing for you at the local ricer shop? ;)

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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2004, 07:47:49 PM »
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He said Gas Mileage.  At this time, I am without a Ford  truck for the first time in 20+ years.  I couldn't afford the V8 truck's gas, and couldn't live with the little motor, so I have a snappy 4 cly Mazda.

I miss my trucks.


How new is that Mazda?.....if it a newer one it justa Ford Ranger with different badges and front end bodywork.
So you are still driving a ford LOL.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2004, 08:11:38 PM »
Drop the tailgate on that Mazda and she'll get near 90 mph.

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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2004, 08:11:40 PM »
Upon more thought Grunherz, I can think of a car that matches what you describe.  But it isn't a Cadillac, and it isn't from the late '80's.

I learned to drive on a 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass Cruiser (my aunt's car).  Now THAT was one horrible car.  

It had one of those V-8's that made about 140 HP and got about 15 MPG while doing it.  It didn't even sound nice.  In fact it sounded sort of like a steam engine when you accelerated...CHUGGA CHGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA.  It sounded ready to explode at 60 MPH.  It also left a nice wispy blue cloud behind it wherever you went even when it was new.

It was insanely overweight.  I don't know the curb weight, but it had to be well over 5,000 pounds.  With that much weight and an underpowered (yet oh-so-thirsty) engine, 0-60 times were slower than most new cars 1/4 mile times.  Actually I wouldn't be surpised if ITS 0-60 was slower than its 1/4.

For some reason it had "sport" wheels with no hubcaps.  Pointless, and good at attracting rust at the same time.  Most everything on that car was good at attracting rust.  My aunt kept it until the bumper rusted so much that the tail lights fell completely out.  She always got an undercoating (remember those?) but it didn't help much.  We used to joke that if the car broke down you could punch your foot though the rickety floor and drive it like the flintstones car.

Steering was somewhere between "vague" and "pray".  I kid you not when I say I could turn the wheel 30 degrees and have no change in the car's direction.  I hated going more than 35 MPH in that thing becase keeping it on the road was an adventure.  There was a picture of Christ wedged in the dash, and in this car's case I was glad it was there because I needed all the help I could get.

Handling....well...there basically wasn't any.  Its turning radius was only slightly smaller than the QE2's, it was basically immobile in any sort of snow or slush even with snow tires (the only time it could spin the tires), and parking usually meant finding a part of the lot where there weren't any other cars.  The ride floated enough to make some people sea-sick even if you were going 30 MPH on a smooth road.  

It had a heater.  I know this because it had a little knob on the dash that said "heat".  Of course "heat" in this case was air which was only slightly less cold than the freezing air outside...even after we replaced the heater core.  Windows were usually kept clear by using a paper towel which was kept on the dash for this purpose.  Oddly, we accidentally ran it one winter with an empty radiator--bone dry--and it never gave any indication that something was amiss, except the "heater" blew slightly colder air.


So yes Grun, I know what you're talking about when you talk about horrible junky vehicles.   What a lot of people do NOT realize is that eventually automakers got it right with large cars.  My Roadmaster is such a far cry from those junk heaps it isn't even funny.  It has nice acceleration, good steering with no play, an even ride without too much body lean, and even corners decently.  My Cadillac handled bette still.  Unfortunately, by that time public perception was unchangeable, and so the big cars gradually disappeared because people wouldn't buy them due to perceptions which were no longer valid.  Oddly enough, people switched from "junky and uncool" large cars to buying SUV's....which, while offering a "cool factor", are generally larger and more ponderous than the vehicles they replaced.


The new Cadillacs are ugly, and why buy one when you can just buy a Mercedes instead if that's the sort of car you want.  Why buy an imitation when you can get the real thing.

As an FYI grun, from the '93 to the '94 model year, the Cadillac DeVille gained about 500 pounds, somehow lost space on the inside, and IMO took a big step backwards (it has taken a step back in sales for sure).  Hence why I dislike the newer models.

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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2004, 08:40:18 PM »
It is a Mazda CAR, a 6.  I like it, but it is not built very well.  I have put 20,000 on it in 9 months and do not see keeping it past 40,000.

By comparison, among 4 Broncos that I owned, they shared around 700,000 miles, and all were sold to be driven as daily drivers.  My various (company) F-150's generally were replaced at 120,000, looking brand new with the exception of the bed.  I hauled 1000-3000# almost daily, so it was always scratched up, and the yard guys usually managed to ding my tailgate when the truck still smelled new.

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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2004, 08:56:06 PM »
JAB like I said yiou can have your style preferences, fake cloth horse and buggy roofs but I'm glad you are not designing cars today.

As for Cadillac, today its withing 1% of sales of Mercedes so the new models have repaired the damage done in the past 15 years.  15 years of cars designed for old people, pewople who like chrome, whitewalls, and fake cloth roofs.  Thats what old cars were, and thats why they lost the sales.

But again Im sorry to make fun of your style. Really, somehow the way you say "nice" I can see that you mean it with your heart and in a good way.  And when it comes to style  I  definitely agree to a great extent about your dislike of plastic as a replacement  for wood or metals, but I also see there are solid and beneficial reasons for that.

Still I'm happy that youi are not designing cars simply beacuse those damn Crown Vics or Bonneveiles that you touted so much are pretty awful cars and they are the reason American automakers have pretty much given up the passenger car market to the Japanese and Europeans....

So I guess we disagree what our dream cars are.

For me, I'd love to have the new 500hp   V10 powered BMW M5.

What would yours be?

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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2004, 09:07:11 PM »
Wow jab... I can't help but think you're operating off of an incredibly selective memory.

77 Cutlas Supreme, V8 (305) with a 4 brl.  It handled a bit soft but had plenty of get up and go.  The car lasted 11 years and had 200,000 miles on it when we traded it in on a 88 Cadillac SeVille.

The SeVille lasted for 6 agonizing years.  It was a front wheel drive transversely mounted V8.  It was by far and away the biggest piece of **** I've ever driven.  It handled like crap, but did have a smooth ride.

If I had to go back and choose, it would be no contest.  The olds would win.

Amazing just how different perspective can be.

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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2004, 09:10:40 PM »
I had a '72 Olds Cutlass Supreme with a 350 and 4brl. I think that was my favorite of all the cars I've owned.
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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2004, 11:50:48 PM »
"Wow jab... I can't help but think you're operating off of an incredibly selective memory. "

Nope, I tell it like it is.   Mini D, I'm awfully glad for you if your Olds wasn't a complete piece of trash like the one I drove was.  Perhaps the fact that it was a station wagon had something to do with it, or perhaps Olds engines didn't respond well to the switch to unleaded gas or maybe something got messed up for the '78 model year.  In any case, that car was the embodiment of the popular notion of the "sucky big land yacht".   Be GLAD yours wasn't like that.   I wouldn't wish that monstrosity on anybody.

I have never driven an '80's Seville so I can't comment on those.  They sure look look small and cheap though and I don't see very many of those on the road.  In particular the early/mid '80's Cadillacs with the HT4100 engine were notorious for a complete lack of reliability. The late '70's/early '80's were a horrible time for Cadillac...much worse than today.  Two of the worst automotive engines of all time were in Cadillacs of that period...the 4.1 V-8, and the infamous 8-6-4 engine.  God help the people who bought one of those.  My car was a '90 Sedan Deville and it definately did NOT have the problems of its immediate predecessors.


Grun...where did I say that if I was designing cars I'd design a Crown Vic or a Bonneville.   In the other thread I said they'd be worth their price if they were about $10 grand cheaper than they are (more like 20 in the case of the horribly overpriced Bonneville V-8).  That isn't saying much.  I brought them up as being superior to a Honda Accord...which also isn't saying much (being superior to a basic family grocery getter is like...being more interesting than beige....not difficult).  My wife's Grand Marquis is like a toy compared to the Roadmaster.

No, if I was designing cars I'd be doing much more subtle things.  Next time you see a PT Cruiser on the road, imagine it with shiny chrome bumpers instead of flat black or body color bumpers.  That fake chrome that they make grilles and stuff out of nowdays is virtually as cheap as regular plastic and doesn't wear off like it used to, so cost wouldn't even be much of an issue.   That's the sort of stuff I'd do.   I like how some of those PT's have flames painted on the hood.  A lot of modern cars have so much potential if their designers just took a little more pride in them.   The current Buick Park Avenue....I love how they brought the hood "portholes" back...now it's just dying for a V-8 and a different roofline and maybe whitewalls.  If it's supposed to be a formal classy car...MAKE IT formal and classy!  That 4-litre V-8 they used in the Olds Auroura would be perfect.  The pushrod 3.8 V-6 is pretty outdated for a $35,000 car.   Take a HONDA CIVIC...Civics are popular nowdays with younger buyers; why not capitalize on that right at the factory?  Where are the factory-installed wings and body paneling and 3-inch exhausts?  That plastic stuff would add almost nothing to its cost and would improve desireability.  Give that Civic a bumper with VTEC imprinted in big letters right between two fat tailpipes and a big wing on top...it would sell.  The new Mustang is a step in the right direction; all it needs is a different look in the rear--the plastic bumper reaching up as high as it does makes it look like an Eclipse.   I actually LIKE the Chevy Avalanche's look; lots of plastic and a squarish look are appropriate on a vehicle which is meant to be abused some and easy to wash.


I like a car that takes some pride in itself.  The Roadmaster was a typical old person's car when it first re-emerged in '90--big, portly, and horribly underpowered.  It had no life and little personality.  In '94 Buick slapped the 'vette engine in it (Chevy's version was called the Impala SS and differed only in having the cop car suspension) and really brought out the potential in such a vehicle (it still looks like a whale though; its biggest failing).  Wouldn't you agree that something is badly wrong with GM's thinking given that the Buick and Chevy sedans they were selling 10 years ago had better performance and more space than any of their sedans do today?

Your dream car shows some taste...a V-10 M-series is definately a car with a solid pedigree.  I don't care much for Euro design philosophy, but one can't argue with quality.  I don't really have a "dream car" in that no new car really ideally matches my tastes.  The Chrysler 300C comes closest but it isn't perfect.  I like big cars with a lot of power and shiny bumpers, but I'm not stupid enough to expect EVERYONE to like them.  We all have our own tastes.  The key is to build automobiles with PRIDE that appeal to people's tastes.  Make people want to buy that car because it's a Chevy, or Honda, and not just because it's 100 bucks cheaper than the near-identical car on the next lot.  That's what they need to do.

Cadillac needs to not only maintain its Mercedes clones for the people who like them (the '90's Seville proved the popularity of this concept), they also need to take their basic DeVille and turn it back into a pure CADILLAC.  Make it look long and low, give it fins (however small), make it fast, and make it really shiny in front--and by god it has to have the hood ornament.   This semi-cadillac, semi-doesn't-know-what-it-wants-to-be stuff that has been hurting them for years has GOT to go.  The Escalade is the vehicle which pretty much saved Cadillac.  It's pretty bad that Cadillac had to resort to selling a truck for survival.  


A car that people either love or hate will sell better than one that tries to simply not offend anyone.  Except in the case of the Pontiac Aztec, which pretty much offends almost everyone (but I hear it's actually a joy to own).

Those are my thoughts.

J_A_B

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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2004, 12:04:35 AM »
i think J_A_B really hates Hondas

""I like big cars with a lot of power and shiny bumpers""
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2004, 07:32:26 AM »
Well I can say for having driven both the CTS, CTS-V, and the STS for an extended period of time. These three cars are the best GM/Caddy have come up with. I can tell you I've never been happy with GM and Ford.  I've always been a Mopar or a Mazda person but the new Caddy's are tempting me.


I can tell you the CTS & CTS-V are great there the only car at the moment where you can fully turn off big brother and have a little tail wagging fun. I give kudo's to Caddy for having a car that can set off the traction control in 4th gear at 90 plus. :D

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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2004, 07:49:29 AM »
Hey Jab.. did you just say the cadillacs of the 80's sucked?  Wierd... you just got done saying grun didn't know what he was talking about at all.

Cadillac did not start re-emerging into the market until the came out with the STS.  Some people still swore by the land-yacht "buy American" mentality, but overall the Cadillac emblem was floundering.

The new models are pretty sweet rides.  They blow the 80's away.  The fact that you'd even try to say otherwise is just plain odd.

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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2004, 07:53:03 AM »
I just cannot get past the styling of the new Caddies.  They all look like they were designed by the guy that did the Pontiac Aztek to me.
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