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« Reply #210 on: October 09, 2004, 02:03:03 AM »
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And the drugs from canada...


I always thought we were more significant than Oregon.

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« Reply #211 on: October 09, 2004, 02:07:09 AM »
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Everybody who works pays taxes, even people in the military pay taxes.



I was referring to income tax, which is the tax cut you mentioned.  and no, not everyone who works pays income tax.
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« Reply #212 on: October 09, 2004, 02:08:04 AM »
Oregon isnt quite Canada but its north and rains alot so it just like Canada in may ways.

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« Reply #213 on: October 09, 2004, 02:09:06 AM »
Yeah.... Plus - isn't their State animal the beaver?

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« Reply #214 on: October 09, 2004, 02:43:49 AM »
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And the drugs from canada and blocking group drug buys here in the US that would make them cheaper for srs. That is just illogical as well. Who pays, the people.


So your in favor of outsourcing to other countries?
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« Reply #215 on: October 09, 2004, 02:56:52 AM »
Thats not outsourceing thats just importing.

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« Reply #216 on: October 09, 2004, 03:09:02 AM »
And the difference is..?

When I buy a car from Germany, I outsource the labor required to build my car to Germany rather than Detroit.  

Some German gets the job instead of a Michigander.  

Importing = outsourcing labor
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« Reply #217 on: October 09, 2004, 03:45:25 AM »
So I have a question then. How many A-Q members have they arrested in Iraq. None? How many intelligence documents or information relating to A-Q have they found in Iraq that will help capture additional A-Q members. None?

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« Reply #218 on: October 09, 2004, 03:55:03 AM »


Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian with alleged close ties to al-Qaida and its figurehead, Osama bin Laden, has long been a prime suspect in the war on international terrorism.

Haven't got him yet, but he's there.

What's that got to do with outsourcing?
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« Reply #219 on: October 09, 2004, 03:56:54 AM »
Oops, ya got me!

Sleep time, gnite.

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« Reply #220 on: October 09, 2004, 07:33:16 AM »
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Bush overspends and cuts back on internal domestic issues and then gives a passive tax break to the wealthiest. How do you spend and give tax breaks, theres no logic to it. Is that suppose to have cured the ressession and create jobs. Look at the job figures, it hasnt.



I cant help but to notice these and other statements and claims such as Kerry is weak on defense. Factcheck.orq clearly shows his voting record and the years he voted against military spending post cold war. They even drew similar comparisons to Bush sr who cut military spending by 30% so is Bush sr weak on defense.

 About the only fair and  resonable news channel left is CNN.


The overspending was probably due to the military and intelligence services being downsized (Something Kerry repeatedly voted FOR) over the last 12 or so years A situation which helped get us into this 911 situation to begin with.
Note I did say 12 or so years so as to include Bush Sr who's downsizing policies I was also against and was the main reason I voted against him in his re election bid. We are paying dearly for that downsizing now.
    I find it hard to imagine any president having done anything much differently.
Even Hillary (not exactly Bush's biggest fan) has said she would have done the same in Iraq had she the same info the Prez did. So Iraq is an issue more of rhetoric more then substance.

As for Tax cuts. EVERYONE got a tax cut.
I know I did and I'm FAR from being anywhere near that top percentage. I have no problem with the wealthiest getting more back after all they DID pay more in.
So it would only stand to reason that the ones that paid the most in would get the most back.
I call that being Fair.

The Job loss reported by Kerry is grossly inaccurate. According to an independent thinktank by CNBC (another one that doesn't exactly wave pompoms about Bush) The number is actually 800,000 and if you factor in the over 1 million jobs lost because of 911 and because of downsizing due to more people being replaced by automated machines that number is really more like 200,000 and that's being generous to the Kerry claim. and non of which Bush had any control over whatsoever.
Then again No other Prez had to deal with a recession (which he didn't create BTW) And then a 911 on top of it. So all in all it isn't the doom and gloom that the Kerry camp keeps trying to paint

All the major economists agree that in a time of recession you cut taxes and increase spending to help spur the economy.
Even the Democrats were on board with that. Where they differed was in how they were applied.
If you look back you will remember that at the time the Tax cuts were proposed the Democrats supported a tax cut. Just not the one Bush wanted
In the end Had a Democrat been there we would have ended up in the exact same place. we just would have gotten here by a different path under a different president
We still have the fastest growing economy in of any of the major industrialized nations and unemployment is about the same now as when Clinton was running for Re election and our GDP is the best its been in 20 years which aint to bad for this so called terrible economy. In alot of ways its actually better then during the Clinton years. Oh its not a runaway economy for sure. But its real based, on real value not the bubble full of illusionary wealth of the 90's (which Clinton wasn't responsible for)
When I look back at the 90s and that bubble full of illusions I'm far more comfortable with the way things are going today.

There are lots of things I dont like about Bush.
thre are also lots of things I dissagree with him on.

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« Reply #221 on: October 09, 2004, 07:49:58 AM »
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He voted to balance the budget in the early 90s. He voted to cancel production of B-2s. We have enough B-2s and more numbers are only needed for a full scale war against the soviet union. In limited campaigns of today, we have enough B-2s. Those are some examples.


He also voted to break the spending cap how many times?

im all for a balanced budget emmendment.
was one of the few things I supported about Clinton.
But how can you keep a budget balanced if your going to keep breaking spending caps?
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« Reply #222 on: October 09, 2004, 07:52:32 AM »
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3908753.stm

Interesting  and perhaps wrong but nothing I would call earthshattering

"Halliburton came under fire earlier this month for the Iran deals, with critics charging that they abused the spirit - if not the letter - of sanctions banning US firms from working in Iran. "

and little more then a single flea on a Saint Bernard when compaired to France, Germany, Russia, China's dealings with Iraq
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« Reply #223 on: October 09, 2004, 07:58:15 AM »
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Everybody who works pays taxes, even people in the military pay taxes.


No thats not true.
I dont remeber the exact number but there is a threshold that if you make below a certain amount you dont have to pay income taxes
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« Reply #224 on: October 09, 2004, 08:03:46 AM »
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I think it was a close debate and these numbers are very early. Give it a day or 2 and we will see if either gained any ground. The guys screaming "Landslide Bush" either didn't watch the debate or didn't pay attention. There was no clear win by either candidate tonight.


Agreed Saw on I think it was CNN last night where they mentione a report that claims the Democrates were encouraging their people to take part in these polls.
Assuming its true and it is only an assumtion
those results are not at all surprising
Particularly when you factor in its a fridaynight and a large portion of the population were probably out enjoying themselves and probably not even watching the debate
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