Presidential Debate #2 Debate

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by MrCoffee
Dont mean to be bashing on Bush so much. I just got back from starbucks.

dont blame ya for being in a bad mood.
Paying too much money for mediocre coffee would piss me off too.

Only made that mistake once. but it was the only joint open

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by rpm
Tweety, if you really want to look at his plans look at his website. He does have specific ideas on many subjects. I don't expect either candidate to lay out their detailed ideas in soundbites of 90 seconds or less.

LOL and if you look, Kerrys plan.. More of the same only faster.

ooookkkkk

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by MrCoffee


And the drugs from canada

Now here is a subject I am on board with Kerry on.

But thats not nearly enough to be an issue for me

Now

If he just showed some balls and took a stand on the patriot act. For which I am against in its present form
then he would have alot more sway with me

[DREDIOCK]

Kerry - I Salute our men in uniform.
I have a better plan. And it all starts with my new hat

[Eagler]

coffee
I justify the tax cut as without them we would be in a depression today. and everyone got a tax cut who actually pays taxes, even those who pay into the system only to get it back in april when the rest of us pay out more .. anything else stated is hot-air, class envy gasbag liberal spew "hate the rich guy cause he has more than you"

so any of you voting for skerry want:
1. higher taxes
2. MORE troops in Iraq (where is he going to get them from)
3. UN approval before doing anything outside US in war on terror
4. Trial lawyers pushing up malpractice insurance forcing more docs out
5. 4 years of skerry sticking his finger into the air to feel the political wind/check the polls before making a decision on anything

what you'd get is 4 years of a weaker America, I think that is what many want both here and abroad

[Suave]

Didn't the Germans and French say they would not approve use of force under any circumstances?
 So when Kerry says that he would've gotten them onboard he's indicating that he thinks the French and German were lying.
 That's nice, insult their integrity, that will persuade them.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
No thats not true.
I dont remeber the exact number but there is a threshold that if you make below a certain amount you dont have to pay income taxes

While many in the military, especially the lower ranks, likely get a refund of their income tax equal to what they paid in throughout the year, they don't get any of their social security payments or medicare tax refunded.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by AKIron
While many in the military, especially the lower ranks, likely get a refund of their income tax equal to what they paid in throughout the year, they don't get any of their social security payments or medicare tax refunded.

Why would they?  Won't they be using it later?

[AKIron]

Just trying to clarify. As to whether they will ever get a chance to "use" that social security money, it remains to be seen. Much of it is being siphoned off to pay for things the fund was never intended for when it was created.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by AKIron
Just trying to clarify. As to whether they will ever get a chance to "use" that social security money, it remains to be seen. Much of it is being siphoned off to pay for things the fund was never intended for when it was created.

That's the case with everyone, though.  It's not armed forces specific.

[Dnil]

I heard the actor ron silverman make a poinit last night I hadnt thought of.  

Gulf War I passed Kerrys "global test" yet he voted against it.  Never thought of that.

[lazs2]

I want Bush to win but never thought he was a great speaker.   Still don't

This was a heated debate and to me... kerrie needed to show that he was not a tax and spend liberal with a know it all attitude and a $1,000 hircut.

kerrie promised all the little people everyuthing under the sun..  he promised that our health care would go down because the government would take "the worst cases" and payu for their care with our tax money.   He tells us that 30 billion for homeland security is a drop in the bucket and that we need to spend more.   He tells us that the war will be won (I have a plan) by speeding up the training and sending more troops with more equipment (spend way more money on it)  

he tells us he will not raise taxes a cent on the little people who make less than 200k... he will save say 600 billion by "rolling back" the tax level on these people to the highest levels in history... even these "savings" will be tainted by the fact that about a half a million people that will be afected are small bussiness men.   maybe another millon or so businesses that are not considered particularly small but produce jobs and revenue will also be affected.

Klinton rolled back the deficet by gutting the military... kerrie can't do that.   He has to punish growtth to gain revenue.

in short...kerries "plan" for fixing every single thing that he thinks Bush is doing wrong is to..... increase the spending.

We are talking trillions of dollars here and he has no way whatsoever of paying for any of it.

All the republicans have to do is show that kerrie voted to spend money on social programs and against intelleigence and the military and that he consistently voted for higher taxes for 20 years.

The ultimate flip flop was him looking the camera "in the eye" and stating that even though he consistently voted for every tax increase put before him for 20 years.... he wasn't gonna raise our taxes.

lazs

[lazs2]

the tax cut ended the Klinton recession in the shortest time on record and... it was also the shallowest.

kerrie cliams he will increase the tax cut to the little people more than doubling it in the case of people with children and even single youth wanting to go to college.  

kerrie put gulf war one up to the global test and it passed... he thenm voted against it anyway.... if he had his way we would have went against world opinion.

Bush scored big onj the "not giving enough of an effort in Iraq" question when he said that he sat all the generals down and askled em what they needed to win and did they have a plane and enoutgh of everything.... they said "yes sir".

Bush scored huge by simply saying "look at kerries voting record".

Now kerrie expects us to believe that everything he has done for 20 years is not in play and that he will act 180 degrees differently than he has up to this point in time?

I don't think he is making that point... he is making the right promises (we are all gonna get a lot of free stuff and it won't cost us a dime) but I don't think he convinced anyone last night.

The comercials are what people will see... they will point to kerries record as oppossed to what he is now saying.   A liberal with a capital L , with his record.... it puts him at a huge disadvantage in the 30 sec commercial soundbite...

Imagine him asking for a global test and then a cut away to him voting against the world in gulf war one for instance... imagine him looking into the camera and claiming to not raise taxes and then a cut to his voting record... devestating..

maybe kerrie did have some sort of epithany in the last couple of months and is now a moderate but... ya gotta admit... it looks like flip flopping pandering more than a genuine change of basic political views.

lazs