Author Topic: Was A6M2 really this sluggish? (Read 1415 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **on:** October 08, 2004, 11:10:42 PM »

Really except for low low speed turning the A6M2 is probably only 1/2 as manouverable as the F4F - even at low speeds.

Everyting I read about the zero mentioned finger light controls and a great roll rate at low speeds, but in AH2 the F4F is far more manuverable and changes direction much better even at low speed.

Whats going on?

TrueKill · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:12:58 PM »

HTC makes all the allied A/C uber and all the axis A/C crap F4U flaps down at 260, A6M 150 WTF in real life u could put flaps down when u wanted to. just like the P51 almost as fast as a 190D-9 and turns like a spit

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:13:27 PM »

Are you deliberatly trying to destroy this thread?

TrueKill · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:15:55 PM »

no its TRUE go fly a P51 or a F4U then fly a 190 or 109 and a A6M allied A/C can put thier flaps down 200+mph axis -150

1K3 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:18:18 PM »

is the F4F @ your 6 while diving @ 300-350 mph?

if yes, the F4F can manuver with A6M (for awhile)

TrueKill · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:19:19 PM »

it makes no since y can allied planes be so much better in AH2 and no1 say the new flight modeling cuz allied A/C got better and axis got worst

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:19:49 PM »

No I see this when the F4F is infront of me and effotlessly flipping about and cahnging directions in front of me at low speed...

1K3 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:22:36 PM »

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no its TRUE go fly a P51 or a F4U then fly a 190 or 109 and a A6M allied A/C can put thier flaps down 200+mph axis -150

109 and 190s never had combat flaps.

btw did N1K had automatic combat flaps? What i know is that it help N1K outturn USN fighters. Otherwise im not sure.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:26:01 PM »

The 109 sure as hell had "combat" flaps. THe 109s flaps could bve set to any angle wished by the pilot.

In AH the flap speed is too high for 109..

Anyway, that a different topic. Lets talk about the zero a6m2..

TrueKill · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:38:19 PM »

its the uber flap on the F4Us by the time u can get 1 noch flaps down on the Zeke the F4U has 3 or 4 down thats the problem HTC needs to make the flaps "life like" meaninu can put them down when u want and it the speed is to high then they jam.

ps. 1k3 109 and 190s did have combat flaps

1K3 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2004, 11:39:23 PM »

What i know is that don't get in a 1 vs 2 fight with F4Fs. And dont turn in a constangt directivion or the '50cals will "follow" you. @ defensive mode, turn as if you're a "fly".

(sry, i don't know how to explain ACM moves well)

soda72 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 09, 2004, 12:00:50 AM »

CT is hosting a plane set with a6m2 this week....

This is what I have noticed:

So far I've had an SBD out turn me. Never thought I would see the day an SBD out turn a zeke.

The p40E seems to out class it as well, and the f4f doesn't have much problem turning with it at lower speeds. The zeke is a little better but not by much...

The cannons are pretty much ineffective as well unless your D200.. a good 2 second burst pretty much emptys half your cannon rds...

Being hit by a small burst of 50cal fire pretty much means your dead..

I don't know much about the zeke, so I can't say this is accurately modeled or not.. but it is surpirsing to see it perform that way. I thought it was one of the best early war PTO fighters.. After flying it a few times I must say its one of the worst...

TimRas · « **Reply #12 on:** October 09, 2004, 01:01:56 AM »

On the other hand, was A6M2 really able to dive 540mph (TAS) before it started shedding parts ? (Tested this offline)

Cobra412 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2004, 01:31:36 AM »

Since it seems all the Axis crews wanna make the claim of biased Allied modeling in comparison to the Axis birds post some facts. It absolutely amazes me that you folks have the nerve to claim that HTC purposely makes the Allied birds better. Why not just slap them in the face?

Last time I checked HTC was doing alot not only to make this a fun game but to make it as realistic as possible without going into a full fledge flight simulation. Stop whining and find the facts and post them. List all your reference material and I'm sure they'd be willing to fine tune all the airframes that they can get data for.

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2004, 01:40:35 AM »

I'm honestly not sure about the low speed handling. It is my experience that the A6M2 will handily outmanuever the F4F-4 once speeds are at 200 or below. But then again.. most of the F4F pilots I've been meeting in the CT this week just take it as a given that they can't manuever with a zeke, so they do a couple half-assed manuevers and then just stick-stir/floppy-fish their way back to ack or friendlies.

I'm just curious as to why the controls aren't locking up when they are stirring... I've got a halfway decent film of some newb in the CT stirring for all he was worth, didn't appear to trigger the "stick stir" code.