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Offline Pongo

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« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2004, 09:29:03 AM »
sherman m4a3 75!!!
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« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2004, 11:55:58 AM »
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The russion armor was better then german one - the russian armor of same size was stronger then same of germans. Germans had no good armor technologies as russian had. That was very important factor - one of the reasons germans had lost lots of Tigers at Kursk.
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Someone needs to read their history books better....  German armour was the best, and virtually all of the Tigers and Panthers lost at Kursk were do to problems with the Maybach engines.

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« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2004, 07:51:31 PM »
Here are BPNZ's  images:

T-34 Chart:

Pz. Kpfw IV:

Pz. Kpfw IV:

Panther after being hit:


And a link he provided:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/2930/pantherfibel.htm
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« Reply #78 on: October 10, 2004, 07:23:45 AM »
NICE

BTW, what was the finest allied tank gun?
Somewhere I read that is was a british one, can't remember the caliber, but they were used in on some converted Shermans I belive.
THAT 76mm?????????????
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« Reply #79 on: October 10, 2004, 08:51:11 AM »
17pdr (cal 76mm) was used in Sherman Firefly and in British A30 Avenger and Challenger and Archer.
APCBC projectile penetrated 150mm from 1000m at 0dgr angle, almost identical performance with german KwK42 75L70 used in Panthers.

US tanks had different 76mm with less power than British 17pdr, penetrating bit over 100mm from 1000m with APCBC ammo.
US also used 90mm guns in tank killers like M36; gun was quite similar performance with 17pdr and KwK42 75L70
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« Reply #80 on: October 10, 2004, 05:20:02 PM »
Sherman {and variations of} T34, Panther and many more are all great ideas, lets get the damage model, ballistic model and overall modeling done first.

Why is it that so many players choose the P51, LA7, Spit and N1K2 ?

Could you imagine flying one of those A/C and they all fly pretty much the same and do the same type of damage? Or they all fly just like the F4U ?   I guarantee people would say "what's up with that" ?

My 2cents
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« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2004, 06:19:47 PM »
Who flies N1K2's these days?
Well P51 is Amreeekkan and fast.
The Lala is faster low alt and has cannons.
The Spitty also has teeth and is very very nimble.

so????????????
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2004, 07:57:19 PM »
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Who flies N1K2's these days?
Well P51 is Amreeekkan and fast.
The Lala is faster low alt and has cannons.
The Spitty also has teeth and is very very nimble.

so????????????



Ok that being said, imagine what if all three flew the same, same speed, same turns, same "nimbleness", same damage effects. Seem normal to you?
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« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2004, 08:06:12 PM »
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Would you agree then that the T34-85 has more parity with the Panzer IVH then the late model T34-76 does?


I sure do.

T34-76 was in service when Barbarossa was launched.
Pzkw IV H is a 1943 model I believe.

T34-85 sounds like a closer match up for Pzkw IV H.
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« Reply #84 on: October 10, 2004, 08:29:16 PM »
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Ok that being said, imagine what if all three flew the same, same speed, same turns, same "nimbleness", same damage effects. Seem normal to you?


The Uberschturmhumptydoodle Mk 69 500 mm depleted uranium firing dual quad mega-dynamo electric long range gatling hovertank/super flak should most definately not fly like a Lala. It should fly like a Yak.

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« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2004, 09:10:05 PM »
Wow. After seeing that hit pic Karnak posted, now I realize that no matter how much your tank is hit if the penetration is a failure then its not worth much.

 Perhaps "I've hit a X tank at Y ranges Z times and he didn't budge, but he hit me once and it killed me" complaints are wrong, just like HT said, after all.

 Ofcourse the Panzer and Tiger have different levels of armour comapred to the Panther.. but it makes sense.
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« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2004, 11:31:49 PM »
The Soviet 122 would pentatrate 120 mm at 2km I believe.
Or just use the he and flatten the enemy anyway.
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