Author Topic: Stem Cell Research (Read 1656 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #30 on:** October 11, 2004, 07:43:20 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
And federal funds are needed to make something happen.

Why?

dont get me wrong Im all for the reasearch.

but why are federal funds needed?

If enough funds can be raised to build the WWII memorial

why cant the funds be raised for the reasearch?

I wouldnt mind if federal funds were used. but I dont see it as "Necessary"

Bruce Springstein, and Barbara Striesand can spend oodles of money to raise oodles more to get a politition elected
why cant they throw some concerts to fund Stem cell research?

ra · « **Reply #31 on:** October 11, 2004, 07:53:02 PM »

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Opposition to the research is based on religion.

Not all pro-lifers are religious. The idea is that using humans for spare parts without their consent is a bad thing.

Nashwan · « **Reply #32 on:** October 11, 2004, 08:00:31 PM »

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Government support for adult stem cell research continues as does that on fetus stem cell research on those fetuses already procured. Private research is in no way obstructed.

Yet.

The US government is pushing hard in the UN for a worldwide ban on cloning stem cells. They were 1 vote short last year, and might well succeed this year.

ra · « **Reply #33 on:** October 11, 2004, 08:03:25 PM »

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The US government is pushing hard in the UN for a worldwide ban on cloning stem cells.

You mean a ban on cloning embryos in order to mine their stem cells?

Nashwan · « **Reply #34 on:** October 11, 2004, 08:11:37 PM »

Eagler · « **Reply #35 on:** October 11, 2004, 08:51:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan
Yes.

and that ban would not be a good thing?

you shouldn't farm human beings...
except maybe libs as they are 90% vegetable anyways

Nashwan · « **Reply #36 on:** October 11, 2004, 09:24:57 PM »

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and that ban would not be a good thing?

Only if you believe in stopping stem cell research.

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you shouldn't farm human beings...

Who's talking about human beings?

The ban seeks to prevent cloning of embryos at very early stages. In Britain, the limit is 14 days.

Many thosands of embryos at that stage are disposed of every year as a consequence of in vitrio fertilisation.

If you can flush it down the sink with no paperwork needed, why not clone it for some good?

However, what the US is seeking to ban is even further from being a human.

Cloning stem cells involves taking an ovum (an unfertilized egg) and replacing it's DNA with other DNA. That "embryo", which is the product of only 1 set of DNA, is then cloned.

So you have an egg, you remove it's DNA, and replace it with someone else's DNA, and allow it to grow for 2 weeks. How is that a human life?

Toad · « **Reply #37 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:20:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
That is where we disagree, Mt. If the smell of a therapy was in the research, private companies would pour billions into it.

Ding! DING! DING!

We have a WINNAAAH!

There it is.

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:21:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan
. They were 1 vote short last year, and might well succeed this year.

Is this a "simple majority" vote or what?

In any event, it sounds like it isn't ONLY the US that doesn't agree.

Nash · « **Reply #39 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:23:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
That is where we disagree, Mt. If the smell of a therapy was in the research, private companies would pour billions into it.

Right... The reason why that isn't happening?

The very real spectre that after private companies have poured billions into the research, Bush wakes up on a Tuesday morning after a particularly hellish dream in which he was getting chased by gigantic embryos, and says "Stop."

A clear policy has to drive this thing, or nobody is going to touch it. That, it turns out, is what's happening now.

Lizking · « **Reply #40 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:24:27 PM »

Nashwan, pull yer head out of yer Ass! There is no Ban. The ban is on Federal Money only! How many times does it have to be said before you understand!

Toad · « **Reply #41 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:34:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
A clear policy has to drive this thing, or nobody is going to touch it. That, it turns out, is what's happening now.

Stem cell research is going on in many places, the US included.

The Brits are setting up a stem cell bank of ALL lines that researchers FROM ANY COUNTRY can apply to access.

I haven't checked but I'd bet that US medical companies with foreign subsidiaries could do all the stem cell research they care to do without and US government problems.

The bottom line is still the bottom line. Bush funded some stem cell research. There are some people who thought he should fund ALL stem cell research.

If the corporate medical moguls could see money in it using their particular time line, they'd be in it up to their necks. However, I suspect the profit isn't visible in the near term so they want old Uncle Sam to carry the load until the pot of gold starts glimmering on the horizon.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #42 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:36:59 PM »

If the interest were to get into space, private companies would pour billions into it.

That only took 46 years.
-SW

Lizking · « **Reply #43 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:41:13 PM »

Not only that SW, but it still isn't time for private space travel (though I am all for it, just like SCR). SCR has been going for 200 years and it STILL isn't worth more than basic research dollars.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #44 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:45:11 PM »

Well, if we could lable embryos as colateral damage, there might be a shot. Seems the only time goverments approve taking lives in the name of science, is during war (and please tell me weapons aren't experimented with during war). Spin it as a war on disease, and who knows, embryos might be seen as colateral damage- sorta like the children in war zones