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Nobel laureate says Bushs tax cuts were not enough
« on: October 12, 2004, 09:20:31 AM »
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - Edward Prescott, who picked up the Nobel Prize for Economics, said President George W. Bush's tax rate cuts were "pretty small" and should have been bigger.

"What Bush has done has been not very big, it's pretty small," Prescott told CNBC financial news television.

"Tax rates were not cut enough," he said.

Lower tax rates provided an incentive to work, Prescott said.

Prescott and Norwegian Finn Kydland won the 2004 Nobel Economics Prize for research into the forces behind business cycles.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041011/pl_afp/nobel_economics_us_taxes_041011212152

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2004, 10:55:33 AM »
Prescott speaks of Europes taxes:

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Unfortunately, neither the OECD nor the IMF has any real explanation for why Europeans take so much leisure time. However, a new study by economist Edward Prescott of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis provides the answer. He says that Europe's higher taxes explain almost all the difference in labor force participation rates between Europe and here. He notes that when European tax levels were comparable to those here, work hours were similar. But as Europe's taxes have risen, workers responded by working less.

Consequently, tax cuts in Europe would raise labor supplies, increase output and raise the standard of living. For example, if France reduced its tax burden from 60 percent of GDP to 40 percent, the average Frenchman would be able to consume 19 percent more over his lifetime than he does now. This is a very large impact.

In short, Europeans don't work because it just doesn't pay to work after the government takes its cut. And because welfare benefits are so high, the cost of not working is low. Thus, when workers compare what they make after-tax with what they can make by doing nothing, the gap is very small.

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Nobel laureate says Bushs tax cuts were not enough
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2004, 02:18:41 PM »
so if i dont work i shouldn't pay taxes there by i dont increase or decrease??? hell i will stay unemployed then,that way i can beat the system  bahahaha yeh rite

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Nobel laureate says Bushs tax cuts were not enough
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2004, 02:27:27 PM »
We need to get total taxes (including SSI) down to about 10%.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2004, 03:06:56 PM »
That study is deeply flawed. First Prescott takes his data from the UN, which we all know is corrupt and secondly he makes the outrageous claim that the average French worker is 10% more productive than the average US worker. Thats just wrong on so many levels.

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2004, 03:10:48 PM »
I'd say it does make sense. If you know you will keep a decent wedge of your earnings, you'll put in the overtime.

Although, I'm not sure why people think spending large proportions of their time at work is something to strive to. Everything in moderation...

Incidentally, I thought Nobel Laureates were imbeciles according to the other thread.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2004, 06:47:37 PM »
Accademics are typically out of touch. This one has never had a proper job in his life yet somehow feels qualified to analyse the average Euro's incentive for pissing off early down the pub every friday? Seems ambitious to me. Hmmm, paperwork or beer, paperwork or beer? suddenly becomes Hmmm, paperwork or let the state support me and my lazy brood? I'm off down the pub!

Plus Nobel didn't leave any mention of a prize for economics in his will, it was tacked on 70 years later by a bank. It's proper name is "Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" The whole things a bit farcical.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2004, 08:56:02 PM »
Hi Chortle. As surprising as it may seem, the average French worker does have higher productivity than the average U.S. worker. They produce about 10% more per hour than their American counterparts.

And I do agree about most economists. There are many who write nonsense just to be published and gain some name recognition. Fortunately, they are still disregarded by the remaining serious one involved in monetary policies and legitimate research.

And, once again, Ripsnort has misinterpreted something. It was a criticism of a tax reduction that should have given more relief to middle class and working poor to stimulate consumption. Even Greenspan did not endorse the tax cuts in the form they took. But hey, what would he know? He was either with the administration or against them.

Tax cuts for the high income people did not increase investment and did not increase employment as they were billed to do by the administration. The tax rates were not out of line to start with and high earners don't need to be stimulated to work...
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2004, 09:00:11 PM »
Are you just going to take that Ripsnort?!

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2004, 09:05:05 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2004, 11:43:54 PM »
from what I have noticed, every time taxes get cut significantly, the economy gets better
This leads  me too believe that tax cuts are good
If you put more money in the pocket of the consumer, they will spend it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2004, 11:58:57 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2004, 12:00:31 AM »
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Originally posted by Flit
from what I have noticed, every time taxes get cut significantly, the economy gets better
This leads  me too believe that tax cuts are good
If you put more money in the pocket of the consumer, they will spend it.


Most economists will agree with you.

 All the claims of "Tax cuts for the rich" as far as im concerend are a load of.... well you know.
Near as I can tell its just more Democrat rhetoric

Dunno bout you but I certainly got a tax cut and im nowhere even remotely close to rich.
maybe Im special

now I may not have gotten as much as someone who is rich. but then again. I didnt pay in as much either. So I shouldnt get as much.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2004, 12:44:16 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Most economists will agree with you.

 All the claims of "Tax cuts for the rich" as far as im concerend are a load of.... well you know.
Near as I can tell its just more Democrat rhetoric

 


Its all about class envy

The Dems want you to be outraged that others make more money than you.  Its simply unfair, so they should be taxed harder.  :rolleyes: