Kill Shoot...Dont Be Stupid...

[DVDA]

I have been playing World War II combat games since Air Warrior was released on AOL.

And I must say I really loved Air Warrior but Aces High is a great game (love the realism)...On with the rant....

Why did HTC decide to add kill shoot to this game, I for one feel it takes away the realism and penalizes the pilot who wasnt being stupid. Allow me to elaborate, 3 days ago im 200-400 yrds away from a spit and I start firing, and a friendly P-51 at full speed dove down and flew completely into my stream of bullets. Not only did he get me killed but he stole the kill as well. In Air Warrior if you shot a friendly.."oh well, my bad" there was a lot less stupid pilots in Air Warrior, if you flew into someone’s stream of bullets you paid for it by dying, and if your a dumb pilot and you accidentally downed a friendly if it was done twice within 24 hours you'd loose your ammo and wouldnt be able to fly for the country.

I for one feel that a system like this would be better in AH2 if you kill a friendly it should record it, and if you do it again you are no longer provided ammo from that country. A record should be kept permanently of how many friendly planes you have downed (to keep people from killing 1 friendly a day with no consequence) as for the consequence maybe 1 week ban, loss of 100-200 perk points for more then 5 friendly planes in a month I dont know something like this.

What do you guys think?

[Arlo]

Nope. Sorry.

[palef]

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[simshell]

NO

[DVDA]

really wasnt a yes or no question....what is ment by what do you guys think, i was looking for "well i like the kill shoot system better then air warriors system" etc

[SOB]

Well i like the kill shoot system better then air warriors system.

Use the search function to see this discussed ad nauseum.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by DVDA
really wasnt a yes or no question....what is ment by what do you guys think, i was looking for "well i like the kill shoot system better then air warriors system" etc

  Next time just clearly state what reponse you wish someone to post in reply and it will be less difficult.

[oboe]

I think your proposal won't stop anybody from diving into your bullet stream - so you could find yourself without ammo for your chosen country for 24 hrs due to other pilots' foolish flying.

[TexMurphy]

I personally hate the kill shot.

I always hate when friendly fire isnt fully on. Main reason realism. Second reason tactics.

I just the other day experienced the same thing as the thread owner.

I was chasing a spit and I had a slight lag hickup on my system. When the lag hickup dropped off I had a spit right infront of me, I mean 0d. So ofcourse I blast away. Now it was a friendly spit that had warped in infront of me during the lag hickup.

Boom dead.

I know lag shouldnt be accounted into discussing this. But the example in the original post is a very good one. Ive so damn many times had people dive in infront of me and running into my LoF. They do this because they know its no risk for them to do so. There is no risk for them to be a greedy stats h0.

Imho the kill shot is one of the biggest reason kill steals are so common in AH.

Well thats my 2 cents.
Tex

[TequilaChaser]

or you could make it to where the careless flyer that is out for the all mighty kill and score and flys infront of another with out any thought, suffers damage, be penalized for being shot by a friendly and when he explodes let a message pop up on screen saying "so&so was shot down by friendly fire , because he flys without any respect to his fellow countrymen and is only out for the score and kill.....what a worthless point mongering dweeb"    

[JB66]

If I remember correctly, the system in AW was if you killshoot two friendlies, you get Persona Non Grata  (png) and couldn't fly for your country for a limited amount of time.  
I thought it worked well.  If one of your teammates pissed you off, you could wait until he climbs to altitude, then come up from behind and kill him.  Not that I ever did that, but i'm certain it happened.  
I do remember the "your shooting a friendly" message.

To me it dosen't really matter.  HT's solution works.

[sling322]

So....lemme get this straight....

You were behind a spit and you opened fire.....a high Pony dives down and crosses into your bullet stream.....

And you didnt see the Pony above you?  Sounds like you need to work on your SA.  Now if the Pony was below you....you may have a gripe.  But then again....if you fly as part of the horde, you should expect others to fight over the same kill as you.  **** happens as they say.

[TequilaChaser]

sling brings up a valid point here, but there are times and we all have seen it. You are in with a bogey maneuvering behind him turning revving etc..you know when you started there was say 1 friendly icon bout 4k above and east of you, 1 friendly icon to north of you 3k out and above you maybe 1 or 2 more south of you with some alt...well you call "I am in on the niki" and the next thing you know some idjit is firing over your shoulder then it stops the next thing , he flys up from under your nose just as you try to put a burst of 4 cannons ( F4U1C) into this niki. only to completely shred your right wing off.  why did 2 or 3 of the friendlys not ask "hey you need help?" before flying into the fight with out giving any respect to your flying ability? you called in you was in, they only are there to collect a kill, regardless if it was a quick kill, a damned good 1 vs 1 dogfight( just to be ruined by a cherry picker) or anything else.......I have flown along and saw 1 guy in on a lower plane, just to see #2, #3, #4, #5 dive down behind him once the first guy was already engaged..........

I never flew WBs for any long period of time ,  I did fly AW for a good amount of time, and some other online sims too...outside of FA, I never saw this crap like I see in AH, heck 2 years ago in AH I did not see the stupid crap I am seeing now........thing is no one calls the careless flyers on it. They might say hey you dweeb you did so & so etc.but that is it....all online flying sims has had some type of code of ethics either written out some where or unwritten but widely known and expressed....the AH community needs to either call these offenders out and have a descent majority of folk back the AH member that called the offender on it up or keep on letting certian instances happen with out any thought or care......you either do something about it or let it continue to happen.....

#1 - fly smart , give courtesy to your fellow flyer and don't invade his fight unless he needs help or calls for it
#2 - Call in on a bandit, if someone else calls in, do not engage, fly high cap and support the engaged friendly, wait til needed
#3- if you see some one in a dogfight low, and then see another dive in, and another....speak out...hey 1 should do, 2 is enough, 3 is more than enough, 4 of you on him is easy prey for the incoming Bandits stay high and lets fly high cover for these other low 3 flyers so they don't get bounced....or something of the sort

it is up to the community to change the community....either there is a problem and we need to fix it.or we all shut up and carry on with the way things are going.....

my more than 0.02 worth

[Tilt]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser

#1 - fly smart , give courtesy to your fellow flyer and don't invade his fight unless he needs help or calls for it
#2 - Call in on a bandit, if someone else calls in, do not engage, fly high cap and support the engaged friendly, wait til needed
#3- if you see some one in a dogfight low, and then see another dive in, and another....speak out...hey 1 should do, 2 is enough, 3 is more than enough, 4 of you on him is easy prey for the incoming Bandits stay high and lets fly high cover for these other low 3 flyers so they don't get bounced....or something of the sort

 

I can agree with this................

............and AW dropped PNG latterly must admit I liked it.

You were allowed 2 freindly kills in each 24 hour period and then after replanning (for the next 24 hours) you could only fly goons.

However folk with a tendancy for freindly kills were rightly villified in the arena..............at the end of the day the ac closest had the "shot".

The humiliation of appologising for "killing an ally" was more scary than being simply dumped back to tower............daisy chains were much rarer than here.


As an AW newbie in 1996 my first freindly kill was on a guy called SM (snowman) who was that day in the process of racking up a 20+ kill streak.

Talk about wrong guy wrong time:(    he forgave me .........eventually.

[sax]

Originally posted by DVDA
In Air Warrior if you shot a friendly.."oh well, my bad" there was a lot less stupid pilots in Air Warrior, if you flew into someone’s stream of bullets you paid for it by dying, and if your a dumb pilot and you accidentally downed a friendly if it was done twice within 24 hours you'd loose your ammo and wouldnt be able to fly for the country.

I for one feel that a system like this would be better in AH2 if you kill a friendly it should record it, and if you do it again you are no longer provided ammo from that country. A record should be kept permanently of how many friendly planes you have downed (to keep people from killing 1 friendly a day with no consequence) as for the consequence maybe 1 week ban, loss of 100-200 perk points for more then 5 friendly planes in a month I dont know something like this.

What do you guys think?

So with your systym of game play after a friendly flies in front of you twice you would be forced to change country or ferry troops, not to mention with the hordes like they are yu could potentially have this happen in all 3 countries.
Sounds like fun.