Author Topic: Kill Shoot...Dont Be Stupid... (Read 2201 times)

Alpo · « **Reply #45 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:00:02 PM »

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Originally posted by streetstang (aka Morpheus)
As long as your talking about "SA". What you say has just as much to do with "SA" as does the guy 2k under you, or the guy 1k behind you.

Your heads gotta keep moving or your plane wont keep moving.

Not disagreeing at all. Original post was that the high FRIENDLY pony is diving to snag the victim you've worked down. I just think it's sad that everyone is so kill count oriented that a simple, "need help with him" is never attempted before the pick.

To be quite honest, I'm pretty much in favor of kill shooter as I use it all the time when a conga line of friendlies forms behind me. If I see someone shooting over my shoulder from d200 back, I just might jink into the bullet stream. I'd hate to die to a bunch of friendly hispanos from behind. Pass me if you can, just don't shoot over me... think of it as a safety issue

Alpo · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:08:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Tilt
Hail Alpovich!

You did that?? naughty Sky Night

Hiya Tiltski. Yeah, nothing got your attention quicker than "You just killed a friendly"

The interesting ones were when you were low, dropped a stick of bombs, pulled up hard and got the message. No more tail gunner for the flight home

NUTTZ · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:21:32 PM »

LOL, That was you? Well I did say I was sorry:)

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by hitech
I don't even want to think of the response after the first 262 dies to freindly fire.

And I like the kill shoot system better then air warriors system.

Infact I disliked the PNG system so much I invented the Kill shooter system. Still have fond memories of having my first 13 kill mission, flying back , no enemies in the sector, and low and behold here comes a newbie from dead 6 to shoots me down.

Karnak · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:22:34 PM »

DamnedRen,

Given that the average length a subscription is maintained, an undisclosed but shorter than many think period, and the low number of individual poster's that have posted against killshooter you aren't even going to hit 1%, let alone 25% or 33%.

I would guess that I have, since 2000 when I started posting, seen less than 100 individual posters complain about killshooter. At the same time I have seen about the same number post in favor of it in response to those posts. In that same time frame I would bet that the number of subscribers would be numbered in the tens of thousands. You made up the 1000 posts number and you made up the 3000 or 4000 subscriber number, neither of which have any bearing on reality.

EDIT: Oh look, you can blame NUTTZ.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #49 on:** October 13, 2004, 05:34:19 PM »

LOL, no. If you read back some other poster made that statement. I'm merely saying if there are that many then there is a real problem that may need to be addressed.

I suppose the number of 2 week subscribers is pretty high also. If I'm not mistaken there was one guy who had 5 plus 2 week subscriptions going at the same time. I don't care how they accomplished that but one guy was handing out log on id's so you'd go fly with his squad in the MA.
Then there's the H2H guys who don't activate but fly there til they think they're good enough and make the trip to the MA. They go for 2 weeks and leave for the H2H arena. I think many of them do the 2 week thing over and over. So yes, there are a lot that come and go. But there are also alot who are here for the long run. Of those I wonder how they feel.

However, gawd forbid we actually took a poll. That might upset the apple cart.

Karnak · « **Reply #50 on:** October 13, 2004, 06:10:58 PM »

DamnedRen,

Two weekers don't count as subscribers. Players only count as subscrubers once the plunk the money down on the counter. Two weekers are merely registered and I was ignoring them in my guestimates.

Keep in mind that I really have no idea of the total number of subscribers over the years either. I am just making some semi-educated guesses as to how many subscribers HTC needs to keep afloat. HTC real numbers are proprietory and they have never shown them to any of use mere subscribers like you and I.

DVDA · « **Reply #51 on:** October 13, 2004, 07:59:50 PM »

Well at this point i think the kill-shoot protesters should purposely fly right threw a friendly that flying straight and shooting a target, get the guy kill-shot then steal the kill.

Things will change quickly...

Im joking guys, i didnt mean for this post to turn into an all out war, i was just merely stating my disapointment in lack of realism. As well as the number of dumb pilots out there.

I played Air Warrior for years (since 1996?) and i honestly dont remember ever getting shot down by a friendly.

Hitech i know you invented the system but how many times did you get shot down by a friendly while playing Air Warriors?

Elfie · « **Reply #52 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:35:43 PM »

I personally dont care for the kill shooter system either. Every single time I have been kill shot was when some retard flew through my bullet stream. Kill shooter for the most part penalizes the wrong person.

It's pretty rare to see someone who is so new that they are shooting at green cons. In fact, I can only recall this happening once.

The argument that your SA just wasnt good enough holds no water here. Every last one of us drops SA as we concentrate on the shot. Now, that doesnt mean that our SA goes away entirely, it just isnt as high when you are concentrating on the shot.

Imo if someone is dumb enough to fly through your bullet stream they deserve the death, not you. If real life pilots did that they would be permanently removed from the gene pool and we wouldnt be worried about their stupidity being passed on to their offspring.

HiTech could code the game so that friendly fire does no damage. Shane will step in and say he hates seeing people spray bullets all over the place with no regard for friendly planes.....but that happens already. So whats the difference?

The one thing I see as a far larger problem than kill shooter is when you have done lethal damage to an enemy plane (ie, missing an entire wing, all the stabs gone etc) and some bottomfeeding goofball comes by and explodes the crippled aircraft and gets credit for a kill and all you get is an assist.

Overlag · « **Reply #53 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:46:46 PM »

the kill shoot thing is the best way to solve a problem that plagues many online multiplayer games....so you cant really moan about it......

....However, Bomb/rocket killshooter sucks!

lets say im in lancs, at 19k, im bombing a airfields FH and VH....and hit them for once, then i die????? How the fug was i suppose to know some stat potato in a osty/panzer was camping in one of the hangers vulching planes/gvs as they upped?

DrDea · « **Reply #54 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:51:36 PM »

Do like I did.Even with a Jabo I always called my target to clear the area.Thats all it takes.

Elfie · « **Reply #55 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:55:00 PM »

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Originally posted by DrDea
Do like I did.Even with a Jabo I always called my target to clear the area.Thats all it takes.

That doesnt work always either. People still fly through the bomb/rocket blasts. I have been kill shootered with my own rockets more times than I can remember.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #56 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:57:06 PM »

KARNAK,

Rgr that and I don't need to be privy to HT's books

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DVDA,

Plz dont take animated discussion as all out war. We are merely a buncha flyers getting together at the local watering holes swapping war stories.

Evveryone has a point of view and forums give them a chance to make it. I respect everyones right to make a statement pro or con concerning this subject. I just prefer they give a reason why. The "why" provides input to all and perhaps gives us an opportunity to see the others point of view. Who knows, we may change ours.

Statements that say this or that sux without validity provide no added value to any conversation.

As to one other thing you said. I guess Im just an old fart but I have "never"knowingly flown through anyone in a effort to get a kill and I have always cleared off right or left whenever someone bounced out in front of me.

68DevilM · « **Reply #57 on:** October 13, 2004, 08:57:14 PM »

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Mugzeee · « **Reply #58 on:** October 13, 2004, 09:18:31 PM »

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Originally posted by sling322
So....lemme get this straight....

You were behind a spit and you opened fire.....a high Pony dives down and crosses into your bullet stream.....

And you didnt see the Pony above you? Sounds like you need to work on your SA. Now if the Pony was below you....you may have a gripe. But then again....if you fly as part of the horde, you should expect others to fight over the same kill as you. **** happens as they say.

Now this is stupidity at its best.....Sling....next time in MA...you saddle up 200 behind NME...Ill dive from you high 6 and in front. You think you will see me in time at 400+ MPH?
Not!

Mugzeee · « **Reply #59 on:** October 13, 2004, 09:21:58 PM »

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Originally posted by DVDA
Well at this point i think the kill-shoot protesters should purposely fly right threw a friendly that flying straight and shooting a target, get the guy kill-shot then steal the kill.

Things will change quickly...

Im joking guys, i didnt mean for this post to turn into an all out war, i was just merely stating my disapointment in lack of realism. As well as the number of dumb pilots out there.

I played Air Warrior for years (since 1996?) and i honestly dont remember ever getting shot down by a friendly.

Hitech i know you invented the system but how many times did you get shot down by a friendly while playing Air Warriors?

You dont have to (Mean for it to) DVDA... This is AH BBS.
Very reare to get a civil discussion.
NO...I dont like the AH Kill Shooter. Have i learned to deal with it? Yes.
Doesnt make it the right tool for the job but it will have to do.