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Offline Habu

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Canadians showed Germany the Blitzkrieg
« on: October 14, 2004, 10:13:55 AM »
The Germans were very effective at taking ground at the beginning of WW2. They blew by the big defensive lines the French and Belgians had constructed as a way of insuring that what happened in WW1 would never happen again.

The reason was superior tactics and specifically the Blitzkrieg. How did the Germans develop such an effective strategy?

They did it by looking at who was most effective at kicking their tulips in WW1 and copying their techniques. Of course the ones who hands down took the most ground and cracked the hardest nuts in WW1 were the Canadians. Starting with the unbelievable defeat at Vimy ridge and continuing right to the last days of the war the Canadians took a static trench warfare type of combat and defeated using massed attacks with rolling artillery barrages and precision timed troop advances. They used every technological advantage available to them including isolating German artillery positions using precision sound triangulation, and aerial spotting backed by the best fighter pilots in the war.

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2004, 10:18:51 AM »
The good ole days.

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2004, 10:19:05 AM »
canada has definately seen its zenith come..............and go.

But they do smoke great dope and import really cheap drugs from malaysia.....perhaps their phoenix will rise again...
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2004, 10:25:10 AM »
Yea, I think we blew it around the time of the Avro Arrow. You should see some of the crazy trench raiding gear our boys used in WWI at our National War museum in Ottawa. They must have looked straight out of the dark ages with their spiked maces and breast plates.
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Offline Habu

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2004, 10:27:08 AM »
It is interesting to see how a country can become the best in the world at something and then let it all go to nothing.

No politician has valued the Canadian miltary after the wars and our legacy is one of teaching others how to win in war and then forgetting what we developed, only to see our tactics and technology adoped by others and used with great success later.

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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2004, 10:36:49 AM »
I think that you grossly over esitmate the effect of Canadian military accomplishment on german military thinking.

In fact I would say its ZERO.

The origins of the Blitzkrieg concept are well documented. You can still buy the base materials if you like.
Where you got this idea I cant even imagine. But its pretty laughable.

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2004, 11:40:24 AM »
So show us this well documented evidence.

The Blitzkrieg was a way of massing your resources in a well timed point attack that exploited the enemy's weakness, while not getting bogged down in a trench warefare style stalemate.

The Germans copied the Canadians.

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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2004, 11:46:35 AM »
>>The Blitzkrieg was a way of massing your resources in a well timed point attack that exploited the enemy's weakness, while not getting bogged down in a trench warefare style stalemate.
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i always thought it was the Vikings that developed the Blitzkrieg type of warfare.
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2004, 11:59:13 AM »
thats like saying canada invented rambo when during ww1 a 16 year old newfoundlander got into the enemy trenches and took out a number of gun emplacements...

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2004, 12:03:09 PM »
To a scholar it is not. But to you maybe it is.

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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2004, 12:04:51 PM »
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Originally posted by Habu
So show us this well documented evidence.

The Blitzkrieg was a way of massing your resources in a well timed point attack that exploited the enemy's weakness, while not getting bogged down in a trench warefare style stalemate.

The Germans copied the Canadians.


Thats just ridicolous. I'll can just as easily say that the Canadians copied the German special assault tactics from the war.   Neither of which have anything to do with Blitzkrieg..

I'm all for being proud of one's country, but polese keep the delusions in check...

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2004, 12:33:03 PM »
This must be an american posting trying to make canadians look stupid.

So you contend that concentration of force is a Canadian war fighing concept copied by the Germans and called blitzkrieg?
I think the germans have a word for it in thier language for crist sake. Germans and war is like eskimos and snow.
You are delusional. You think your being scholarly?

Like I said, the evolution of Blitzkrieg and combined arms is well documented. Look up names like Fuller you numskull.
lol
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2004, 12:34:13 PM »
We Germans are not a war like people, BUT WE HAVE OUR LIMITS!
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2004, 12:51:42 PM »
Canada invented soup.

Offline Habu

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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2004, 01:17:30 PM »
If you read the official British history of WW1 you will hardly find a mention of Vimy Ridge. However it was probably the most important victory of the war. It broke the back of the German generals in that once it fell they knew there was no way they could hold any part of the line if the Canadians attacked like that again.

Yet to British historians is was but a minor scurmish in a British war.

To Americans historians their entry into the war was the decisive turning point that lead to the Germans defeat but the Germans were already reeling at that point and any American actions were very costly to the Americans and not very successful.

The reality of the war is that the breakthroughs were being done by the Canadians and their tactics including the use of armour (although too primitive to really have much success) were the basis of all that came later.

The best British and German military minds could only formulate a plan that lead to hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers and a more of less static front. It was the upstart Canadian generals who showed how to win.

Keep in mind that trench warfare was the pinnacle of all military thought at that time. It was the result of the best military minds in the world. Hard to acknowledge that a small new country with little military history could make such a big impact and biased historians are not going to make such claims.