190 D9 was the fastest plane of WW2?

[Fish323]

I think there's a little overmodeling here guys, not even a 109 G10 can catch a 190, even after he started to climb. Also I find that the A20 does impossible things, like keep up vertically with a tiffie over the top, over and over again. There was no bomber, light, medium or heavy that could do this, not even the AR234. So, is the A20 a fighter or what?
  With each new download comes more bugs. I really liked the one that reset the MA every hour or so. I know it must be my computer, after all it is a month old (P4 2Gb, 512 RAM, GForce 5500 256mb, XP) but what can I do so I dont disco the whole MA again?

[Fish323]

By the way, whats this about. Do ENY limits only exist when it's convenient?

[JB73]

Originally posted by Fish323
By the way, whats this about. Do ENY limits only exist when it's convenient?

ENY only takes effect when there is a certain ammount of players overall in the arena.



a G10 should not catch a 190D under 3K, and very very slowly up to 15k

see this chart and look at the speeds.
http://www.netaces.org/ahplanes/comparisons/speed.htm

also, take into account those are from the AH performance charts, and some of the FM's have been tweaked since then.

the G10 shouldnt catch a dora all the time, but your whining suggests you think the g10 is the fastest prop plane.... not by a long shot, the la7 will run it down all the time, and 3 times on sunday for example.

[TalonX]

According to the posted website data:

Up to about 5K, the La-7 WEP is the fastest aircraft in level flight.

Above 5K, the G10 outruns the La-7, the Dora, and the P51-D.  This is level flight and doesn't account for climbing or diving.

[Fish323]

Thank you for proving my point. I dont know why you brought up the LA-7 but thanks for that little tidbit of mundane knowledge. In level flight a 190 should not be outrunning a G10, especially not at 11k after I dove from 16.

  If you look at the pic I posted it says "side balancing enabled" Does not seem that way to me.

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by Fish323
Thank you for proving my point. I dont know why you brought up the LA-7 but thanks for that little tidbit of mundane knowledge. In level flight a 190 should not be outrunning a G10, especially not at 11k after I dove from 16.

  If you look at the pic I posted it says "side balancing enabled" Does not seem that way to me.

actually...looking at graph on netaces, Dora seems 2b faster w/o wep at 9-11k, with them both about exactly same 11.5k.  WITH wep it seems the G10 takes it by 'bout 7kias.  Pretty marginal, and starting E states would be a huge factor here.

[Kev367th]

Looking at the graph I am distrustful of the original data.
Had a squaddie in AR234s at 10k doing 500+, 190 flys past him hoing (misses) does a 180 flat turn. From the film the 190 is doing 600+ AFTER THE TURN.
Similar story from a 109 climbing up to him and catching him doing 500mph+.

He submitted it to HT so hopefully a resolution will come from it.

My own personal experience is diving on a 190 in a Tiffy from a 5-7k alt advantage, start catching him, get to 800yrds out, then he starts pulling away. According to the charts shouldn't happen.
As I said suspicious about HTs data or of course the current set of flight models. Oh this happened at tree top level.

What seems suspicious is that a 190 with WEP at tree top level gives it OVER a 30mph boost?

[Schutt]

The charts are still from ah1, and already admitted to be not entirely correct.

Also fuel load, ammo load and external load play a role... i guess you all were out without rockets bombs fuel tanks usw.
Note that fired rockets still have effect on some planes.

Also this is the lvl flight speed after a verry long acceleration... one slight correction of flight path can hamper the speed. Did you fly on auto pilot or did you fly manual?
Or eaven adjust direction to follow?

Sorry, but these xx does not / does catch yy dont sound convincing for me... you know how much fuel /ammo the other guy has?

I must admit i doubt the performance of bombers and heavy fighters a bit... there needs to be a force to haul all that wight around, its impressive how b26 can dogfight or change flight direction at high speed....

ciao schutt

[Fish323]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Looking at the graph I am distrustful of the original data.
Had a squaddie in AR234s at 10k doing 500+, 190 flys past him hoing (misses) does a 180 flat turn. From the film the 190 is doing 600+ AFTER THE TURN.
Similar story from a 109 climbing up to him and catching him doing 500mph+.

He submitted it to HT so hopefully a resolution will come from it.

My own personal experience is diving on a 190 in a Tiffy from a 5-7k alt advantage, start catching him, get to 800yrds out, then he starts pulling away. According to the charts shouldn't happen.
As I said suspicious about HTs data or of course the current set of flight models. Oh this happened at tree top level.

What seems suspicious is that a 190 with WEP at tree top level gives it OVER a 30mph boost?

Glad you brought this up kev, how does a plane in a climb do a 180 and never go outside 400yds from the diving pony he just passed, then begin to catch him. I see this happen constantly in every plane from 190's to spits, as if they loose no E on the turn. Love to learn this trick as the laws of physics still seem to apply to me.

Oh, still no comment on how with side balancing enabled an enemy with double the players has no ENY limits. Anyone???

[Soda]

Originally posted by Fish323
Oh, still no comment on how with side balancing enabled an enemy with double the players has no ENY limits. Anyone???

The ENY limiter only acts when there are at least a minimum number of players online. I think currently 200 is the "on" point, so since the screen shots you posted have fewer than that total, there was no enemy limiter enabled.  That's been posted before in other threads where the system was explained.

As for the 180 reversing aircraft, happens all the time.  Guys tend to think it "impossible" but it's not if you know what you are doing.  Catching someone with external options loaded can be super easy, they are no where near as fast as the charts show.  Secondly, energy is often hidden by guys in speed, so they dive to high speed, may even appear to come up from a climb, but catch you.  That's just good energy hiding and the person caught didn't realize it.  Finally, the lead turn, guys who just fly straight by can be easily caught by someone who understands the angles involved and times the turn correctly.  If he makes a nice gentle turn he may not burn very much energy at all and pull right in behind you.  Happens all the time but there are lots of ways to beat that.. lots of people think it "impossible" though but don't understand the dynamics of what's happening.

[Kev367th]

Agreed Soda -
Still doesn't explain a 190 doing a 180 degree flat turn and come out of it doing 600mph+.
Or a 109 climbing up to a AR234 at 10k+ doing 500+ and catching him. On the film the 109 is also at 500mph+. We are not talking a dive underneath for 'e' then climbing, we are talking from 3k out at a lower alt.
Or a Tiffy with a 5-7k alt advantage diving on a 190 catching him easily, get to 800yrds then he starts to pull away again.
I'll give you a better example -
Flying along at 10k (Tiffy), see a dot on the deck, so I go into a shallow dive. Turns out to be a 109 when I get icon range. I am now doing 420mph+, he pulls up for a ho, so I go into a zoom climb to try for a rope. He follows me up and dam near catches me, yes I got the rope but was close. Point is a 109 tree top level (remember I had no icon originally so he was a ways off) pulls up to a diving Tiffy and very nearly catches the Tiffy that goes vertical.
Maybe things will even out once ALL flight models have been tweaked.

[Soda]

If you have films, send them to HT/Skuzzy.

I've seen a lot of films posted showing things that "should be impossible" but 99% of them simply show something that made a lot of false assumptions or mis-identification of tactics that showed what really happened (and was entirely possible).  Not evaluating your experience one way or the other, just saying what I've seen in the past.

I don't know that any aircraft in AH can exceed 600mph in control.  I've run a lot of tests and most of them get into serious control problems or structural failures before that speed.

[Kev367th]

Squaddie has already sent film in.

[Kev367th]

In fact had another 'anomaly' last night.
Pulling away from a 109 (had gone 600, 800, 1k), he goes up for alt (drops back to 2k), changes mind pushes nose down then starts CATCHING. In fact he got to d400 before someone else nailed him.
No 'netlag' etc excuses can explain that one.

[Soda]

What were you in?  have film?  what were the conditions?