Author Topic: Fw190 WN 160022 in Earl Miller thread (Read 2870 times)

MiloMorai · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2004, 10:59:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
The FW-190A5/U8 was later redesignated the FW-190G2.

AFAIK, only difference is the FW-190A5/U13 (FW-190G3) has the PKS11 autopilot.

Several FW-190A5/U8's and FW-190A5/U13's were converted for night operations. The FW-190A5/U13's did not get converted until 1944.

Crumpp

Explain how SKG10 could be testing /U13 a/c if they were not converted (???) to that configuration until 1944. SKG10 was long gone from NA by that time.

quote:The FW-190A5/U13 was blanket redesignated as the FW-190G3. SKG 10 was testing several these A/C (/U13???) during the Tunisia campaign.

The /U2 configurartion was not seen before Oct 1943. The /U13 was a combo of /U2 and /U8 for use during low light missions.

Crumpp · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2004, 11:03:52 AM »

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I'm no expert as to the application of factory codes on new aircraft but I agree that it does appear strange that the code is applied over the white theatre band - perhaps it was painted in this manner for ferrying? The other Fw190 coded DN+FP is also painted in this manner...

Peter Evans is correct. It was ferried to SKG10 for combat trial evaluations. The type did well in SKG 10's Gruppen on the Kanalfront. It was not well suited for the shorter range ground attack missions that Tunisia Gruppe required.

Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2004, 11:17:09 AM »

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Fw190A5/U13 was a combo of /U2 and /U8.

This is were you are confused Milo. The FW-190A5/U13 was a long range ground attack varient with the PKS11 autopilot that became the FW-190G3.

The FW-190A5/U8 was the long range ground attack varient that became the FW-190G2. It was not fitted with any autopilot, AFAIK.

Both varients had some of the production run fitted to FW-190A5/U2 nachtjager standards by adding exhaust flame dampeners, glare shields, and special landing lights.

There were no FW-190A5/U13 was fitted to FW-190A5/U2 standards until 1944.

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Explain how SKG10 could be testing /U13 a/c if they were not converted (???) to that configuration until 1944.

You are confusing the varients Milo. It is easy to do.

Crumpp

Guppy35 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2004, 01:29:30 PM »

Wow! You gents are good

I could probably pull it off with RAF or USAAF stuff, but not the Luftwaffe. I very much appreciate the help gents.

Interesting that it was 'captured' by the 79th FG as these are 350th FG guys in my photo. I don't believe they were based together.

Dan/Slack

Wotan · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2004, 03:58:43 PM »

Jan's image was captioned

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Montecorvino, Italy, September 1943. This ship was flown a few days later and nearly shot down by a gang of A-36s returning from a mission.

A quick look at a map of Italy shows

Montecorvino Pugliano
Montecorvino Rovella

Both in the Province of Salerno (main land Italy).

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There is also a nice colour photo of DP+FV in "Focke-Wulf Fw190, The Birth of the Butcher Bird 1939-43" with the caption:

"This Fw190 is an A5/U8 which probably belonged to SKG10 and was captured after the units retreat from Tunisia. It was captured in 1943 at Gerbini, Sicily by the 85th Fighter Squadron, 79th Fighter Group USAAF and was later tested by the US Navy Tactical Test Division"

SKG 10 was stationed in Gerbini, Sicily around this time frame.

What's interesting is I wonder if this is the 190G that the USN then 'modified' back to an A-5 and tested?. The very same tests that they based the AH 190A-5 FM on? Anyone have the Navy documents and can check the W.Nr.?

Meyer · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2004, 04:18:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan

What's interesting is I wonder if this is the 190G that the USN then 'modified' back to an A-5 and tested?. The very same tests that they based the AH 190A-5 FM on? Anyone have the Navy documents and can check the W.Nr.?

It's a different Fw, W.nr. 160057

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/markw4/index1.html

Crumpp · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2004, 04:19:25 PM »

It's not that one, although it is the same variant FW-190.

I imagine it is one of two that were captured, repainted by the squadrons, and lost to history. I have color photos of two other FW-190G's that became souvenir's.

Crumpp

Guppy35 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2004, 04:24:51 PM »

Scanned from the 79th FG History "A Hostile Sky" by Don Woerpel

Looks like they had two working 190s for a short time.

It also makes me wonder if the first image I posted is a different bird and not connected to the 79th like these two since the photo comes from a 350th FG pilot.

Dan/Slack

Guppy35 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2004, 04:33:07 PM »

Just to add to the confusion. Came across that color photo of DN-FV credited to a 31st FG Spitfire/Mustang pilot named William Skinner.

It appears that bird made the rounds

Dan/Slack

Crumpp · « **Reply #24 on:** October 24, 2004, 03:18:03 PM »

Does it have the date Guppy?

Crumpp

Guppy35 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 24, 2004, 10:57:56 PM »

Caption says at Montecervino Airfield, near Salerno, Italy in 1943

Dan/Slack

Wotan · « **Reply #26 on:** October 25, 2004, 12:51:00 AM »

Jan posted this image from his collection of photos saying it was captioned:

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Montecorvino, Italy, September 1943. This ship was flown a few days later and nearly shot down by a gang of A-36s returning from a mission.

Comparing the image Guppy posted its an exact match. Look at the ground clutter, the open hatch and the hills in the background.

Montecorvino is in the Province of Salerno.

Does Earl recall being in Salerno?

Wotan · « **Reply #27 on:** October 27, 2004, 11:30:24 PM »

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Hi,

Many FW 190 G-3s were captured in Italy in September 1943, almost all of which belonged to III./S.K.G. 10.

FW 190 G-3 W.Nr 160 022 DN + FV was from 10./S.K.G. 10. It was recorded as being destroyed by German troops on 9 September at Montecorvino in Italy (doesn't mean it was actually destroyed, the Germans didn't always properly destroy aircraft before they withdrew from an airfield!).

FW 190 G-3 W.Nr 160 022 was assigned to 10./S.K.G. 10 on 2 September 1943. On that day it had been sent from Vicenza to III./S.K.G. 10, along with three other G-3s.

Hope that helps,

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Posted on the LEMB thread I linked above...

FYI Andrew Arthy (aka Bookie) is co-author of:

Focke-Wulf Fw 190 in North Africa
Publisher: Air War Classics – An Imprint of Ian Allan Publishing
ISBN: 1-903223-45-8

Here's a link to his website:

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/Index.html

Guppy35 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 28, 2004, 12:26:42 AM »

Thanks much Wotan

Dan/Slack

gripen · « **Reply #29 on:** October 28, 2004, 03:03:09 AM »

I don't know what was the actual reason, but the LW left large number of intact aircraft to the airfields in Sicily. I have seen pictures of several Bf 109Gs, Fw 190s, Bf 110s etc. Maybe they had no fuel to evacuate or maybe the front collapsed so fast.

gripen