what is a horde?

[4510]

Originally posted by ALF
It depends who you ask as yo what a hoard is, but typically the whining starts when a numericly superior force overwhelms the defensive force at/near a base.  You see, there is this perception   that if only 5 poeple are defending, its rude to attack with 20 planes.....kinda silly I know.

 

Land grabbing requires overwhelming combat power at a given place and time.  That is understandable.  If the large force is met with real resistance, many times it just goes someplace else.

However, much as Stang mentioned above... there are many times where you have 30 or more planes attacking a nearly undefended field of  (pick a country) while the country that is being attacked has 30 or more planes attacking an undefended field someplace else.  
You can look at the map and watch the hordes avoid each other so they can go around taking fields.

I'm not going to say it is "wrong"... folks pay so they can play "their way".  I will say it offers a gaming experience I find less than enjoyable.

[nopoop]

Originally posted by dracon
You can't win the war without taking the fields.  You gotta have firepower to do that.  Can you say.....Blitz Krieg

I enjoy confrontation. Confrontation doesn't figure into your equation, or your fun.

From your point of view you might as well find a 512 arena somewhere with fifty three guys in it and have at it with that blitz Krieg stuff and beat those hangers into oblivion

If you haven't already

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
You can always tell the path of The Horde because the rooftops and trees are coated with spittle, ejaculum, and discarded, crusty tufts of fleece.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by dracon
The whiners are the "This ain't a Sim", Fly at 1K or less, Turn and burn, fly till ya die nobody's that want to tell every one in the arena how to play the game.  They haven't learned to play and let play.

you forgot "pretend the strat doesn't exist, but whine when its destruction affects you personally and claim that defending it is "too boring" -  (tweak this, harden that - )

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by XrightyX
I'm confused...What's the difference between a "hoard" and a "horde"?

Which one vulches?

Now thats funny

[Nomak]

Originally posted by dracon
nopoop, Sax is not correct.  The Horde is a figment of a poor sports imagination.

As in everything it's your point of view.  You can't win the war without taking the fields.  You gotta have firepower to do that.  Can you say.....Blitz Krieg.

I will not be lectured as I and the 339th was Rook before being Rook was cool!

D

Why does the war have to be won?  I mean really, all that does is make 1/3 of the players in the MA unhappy while thier last few fields get rolled by a numerically superior force.

How is ruining other players fun,  fun?

Blowing up sheds is for players who have no idea how to fight.

[dracon]

Originally posted by nopoop
I enjoy confrontation. Confrontation doesn't figure into your equation, or your fun.

From your point of view you might as well find a 512 arena somewhere with fifty three guys in it and have at it with that blitz Krieg stuff and beat those hangers into oblivion

If you haven't already

Ya know poopster, I love ya man.  Always will.  I asked you to fly with the 339th to see what we did....you didn't.  Now there's only 4 left.  The rest quit or don't fly.

Confrontation???   LOL slide into an active field, drop all the FH's and the VH in one pass and see how friendly the "natives" are.  Now you're low and maybe a bit slow because of a less than perfect pass........What happens next is what I call "The Horde".  Every pilot at that field is after yerAss.  Yes sir, now there's confrontation.


To All:  The Horde is a total fallacy.  If it occurred/occurs at all, it's during Rook RJO's where we Mean to take the whole map and a reset.  This includes a "strat" takedown of undefended fields.

To beetle.....Thanks an excellent addition!

Dracon

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by beet1e
you forgot "pretend the strat doesn't exist, but whine when its destruction affects you personally and claim that defending it is "too boring" -  (tweak this, harden that - )

you forgot  ...  that you don't play anymore ... which strips you of all opinons until you do ...

[TexMurphy]

When whiners loose a fight they will always blame their loss on someone else.

This means that a pilot 500 feet higher then them and at 1500 feet will be called an altmonkey.

A fight 2v1 will be a gank and the two will be hoarders. Same goes for 2v3 4v5 ect ect.

Pilots who just run for half a mile to get speed up and create separation inorder to re-engage will be called lame fleers.

Just ignore it. It happens in all competetive games because all "randomly" created groups of people do contain whiners. Not much to do about it.

Tex

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Furious
The problem with hordes is that they never collide.

Because if they did !!!! .... ... they would have to ... ff .. fff ... fffight !!!

OH THE HORROR !!!!

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by TexMurphy
When whiners loose a fight they will always blame their loss on someone else.

This means that a pilot 500 feet higher then them and at 1500 feet will be called an altmonkey.

A fight 2v1 will be a gank and the two will be hoarders. Same goes for 2v3 4v5 ect ect.

Pilots who just run for half a mile to get speed up and create separation inorder to re-engage will be called lame fleers.

Just ignore it. It happens in all competetive games because all "randomly" created groups of people do contain whiners. Not much to do about it.

Tex

All competetive games create groups of people that over-exagerating just a tad.

[Nomak]

Originally posted by TexMurphy


A fight 2v1 will be a gank and the two will be hoarders. Same goes for 2v3 4v5 ect ect.

Tex

I find multiple con engaugements to be the most challenging and the most fun part of the game.  I think others would also if they would only try.

[DREDIOCK]

Most of ya's are wrong.

A Horde is when you have numbers that go something like

Rook-200
Knight-130
Bish- 110

the way its supposed to work in theory
The two smaller countries gang up on the one larger one.
Thus keeping the numbers pretty much in balance.

Problem is it very rarely happens that way

What usually happens is the two larger countries end up ganging on the smaller one in a race for the reset.

Typically the country with the largest amount of numbers throws the bulk of its force against the smaller country which now has to spit its force. In this case Bish 110 between the two larger ones which are often attacking not just one undefended base but several bases defended or not all at once.
The country with the smaller numbers now has to spit their numbers even more to try to defend as many bases as possible against both sides which means there are now even less defenders at each base to defend against the larger forces that are attacking.
What you usually end up with is odds of 3-4 and sometimes 5-1 in favor of the attackers
Now in real life that's just fine. That's what you want to achieve but as keeps getting pointed out this isn't real life, this is a game and is SUPPOSED to be fun for everyone.

5-10 people attacking a base defended or not is not a horde.
In those cases its a matter of if the defending country chooses to defend them or not.

 Using 10-20 people to attack several bases at once where by through the sheer numbers difference makes defending these bases all but hopeless is

The defender has two choices. They can either try to defend as many bases as they can at hopeless odds or they can place the majority f their numbers at one or two bases and loose everything around them until the attacker launches everything that was formally attacking the other bases against them which in the end again results into hopeless odds.

Used to be Rooks. Now its Knights. as a Knight I dont particularly like seeing the horde on my side any more then I like seeing it used against me.
That's why I try to find fights that are more evenly balanced or I will try to attack the side that's attacking me.
 
I have no problem with the land grab. I enjoy it as much as I do the dogfighting.
But the best landgrab fights I've been involved in both offensively and defensively are the ones where both sides have fought desperately over a base until one eventually gets the upper hand.

Not the ones where you send a billion and one people to attack a base or bases where the outcome is certain due to sheer numbers long before they have ever even reached the base they are attacking.

THAT is a Horde

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Nomak
I find multiple con engaugements to be the most challenging and the most fun part of the game.  I think others would also if they would only try.

Yes, they can be.

but 4-1 +
Every time you up while still challangeing after a while, no longer is fun. Cept maybe for the 4
But then they arent being challanged much either

[beet1e]

Originally posted by SlapShot
you forgot  ...  that you don't play anymore ... which strips you of all opinons until you do ...

...but I haven't forgotten the reasons I don't play any more!