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Offline TweetyBird

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« on: October 23, 2004, 09:19:01 PM »
Grade school history teaches the United States was founded for reasons of religious freedom. College history gets a little more into the business reasons which are far less benevolent.

So do you think the United States should strive to be a humanistic goverment or a religious government?
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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2004, 09:22:01 PM »
How about we strive for as little government as possible?
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2004, 09:24:57 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2004, 10:54:39 PM »
It's religion.  Everything takes a back seat to beliefs and religion.  You have to remember that College Professors refuse to believe in religion (most).  Therefor, you don't believe in religion.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2004, 10:59:52 PM »
Unfortunately, there are schools in America that won't allow silent prayer, but force the students to act out Islam in dress and actions (to become more sensitive).

Check out this month's Readers Digest.  I wanted to vomit.

The separation of church and state has been grossly overplayed.  Read the Constitution...There was no attempt to eliminate God.....merely to preclude state sponsored religion (ie, picking the one for us all).

I am not a bible thumper, but I do believe silent prayer infringes no one else's rights.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2004, 11:10:53 PM »
A who in the world can prevent YOU from silently praying or even meditating on religious topics? What you are really saying is you're upset that the goverment doesn't set a time period for you to pray.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2004, 11:45:03 PM »
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A who in the world can prevent YOU from silently praying or even meditating on religious topics? What you are really saying is you're upset that the goverment doesn't set a time period for you to pray.


I think he's mearly saying that schools are so afraid of getting sued by the ACLU because it costs them money that they won't even allow kids to have voluntary prayer groups on school property outside the classroom (IE before or after school)

Even possessing a bible in your backpack in some schools is a violation.

The fact that pre-shools want to have "oval hunts" instead of "easter egg hunts" because they fear the religious backrounds that go with the name.

To stay more on topic we should be a nation that embrases religion not supresses it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2004, 11:51:47 PM »
>>Even possessing a bible in your backpack in some schools is a violation.
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I think the ACLU would represent anyone expelled for such a reason. Expelling someone for a such a thing, is unquestionably a violation of the Bill of Rights.

Edit - er 1st amendment
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2004, 11:52:47 PM »
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"oval hunts"


fo real?
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2004, 12:04:18 AM »
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fo real?


YUP....we can't be indocterining our children with that birth of christ mumbojumbo!  Easter Egg implys that.  I guess those kids don't get "easter baskets" either....a shame if you ask me.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2004, 12:08:23 AM »
Isn't Easter combination of a Chrisitan and Jewish holiday? I mean its directly related to Passover right? I dunno - but I thought thats why its date changes every year. Can anyone clarify?

Edit - I looked it up and it is related to Passover and also pagan celebrations of rebirth. With multi religious meanings, I don't see how the term Easter could be a problem, the same way the term "God" can not be a problem.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2004, 12:23:39 AM »
passover is the celebration of the freed jewish slaves in egypt.  The whole place blood on the door and the angle of death will "pass over" your house.  after this pharow let the jews go. IIRC

but I do think they're somhow related.  I went to services on easter sunday and they worked the door thing into the serman.  Wow.....I'm stumped now.

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OK passover was being celebrating the week before Jesus was crucified.  Now that I think of it they were celebrating it when he arrived in jaruselum
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2004, 12:29:44 AM »
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Isn't Easter combination of a Chrisitan and Jewish holiday? I mean its directly related to Passover right? I dunno - but I thought thats why its date changes every year. Can anyone clarify?


TweetyBird,

Passover is always at the full moon.  Easter is the Sunday after the first full moon of spring, that is why the date changes every year.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2004, 12:29:51 AM »
Yea memory is getting a little better, the last supper fell on Passover - hence the feast (I THINK!). But I see its also a celebration of spring in pagan religions.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2004, 12:30:54 AM »
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Yea memory is getting a little better, the last supper fell on Passover - hence the feast (I THINK!). But I see its also a celebration of spring in pagan religions.


here's where I looked it up at

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/movablefeasts1.html
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