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Offline lada

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« Reply #165 on: October 26, 2004, 09:34:59 AM »
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I wonder how many city blocks 360 tons of HE would level? I guess you could classify that as a weapon of mass destruction.


But it means, that every country have WMD... cool i were so pissed of that we dont have any :rofl


anyway.... 360(or380) tons of sealed materials, including HE are missing..... and not 360 Tons of HE

(trying to imagine face of ppl, who are at war and they just hear, that their military suck at seccuring hundrets tons of HE and they fall to the hand of enmy.... IMAO and they love their army leader more and more :cool: )


However fact that some ppl call it WMD convice me, that they will still belive in those WMD untill end of their days... Coz they used to hear it on television from some realy good acter
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« Reply #166 on: October 26, 2004, 09:36:27 AM »
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Originally posted by lada
But it means, that every country have WMD... cool i were so pissed of that we dont have any :rofl


anyway.... 360(or380) tons of sealed materials, including HE are missing..... and not 360 Tons of HE

(trying to imagine face of ppl, who are at war and they just hear, that their military suck at seccuring hundrets tons of HE and they fall to the hand of enmy.... IMAO and they love their army leader more and more :cool: )


However fact that some ppl call it WMD convice me, that they will still belive in those WMD untill end of their days... Coz they used to hear it on television from some realy good acter
:aok


That's rich.  You say it ISN'T a big deal in the same comment that you say it IS a big deal.

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« Reply #167 on: October 26, 2004, 09:42:37 AM »
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Report: Explosives already gone when U.S. troops arrived




Is this what all this hullabaloo is about?




Don't worry Toad.  Kerry and his staff are busily manufacturing documents to prove all this and will fedex them to CBS asap.

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« Reply #168 on: October 26, 2004, 10:01:07 AM »
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Report: Explosives already gone when U.S. troops arrived




Is this what all this hullabaloo is about?


I don't think you get it Toad. If Kerry had been president he would have invaded with enough troops to cover every square inch of Iraq, and without necessitating a draft. But that would be before he didn't invade Iraq at the wrong time for the wrong reason. Or would it be after? At least with Kerry we'll get lots of options, or perhaps none. It's so confusing. ;)
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« Reply #169 on: October 26, 2004, 10:14:46 AM »
I guess I'd have used the "instantaneous secure" strategic option myself.
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« Reply #170 on: October 26, 2004, 10:26:56 AM »
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I guess I'd have used the "instantaneous secure" strategic option myself.


Well, if Kerry is gonna make the lame walk again how far behind can star trek teleporters be? If he promises flying cars I'm gonna see if I can change my vote.
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« Reply #171 on: October 26, 2004, 10:42:09 AM »
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Seemed that after 9/11 this country and world did stand together and we were presenting ourselves as strong as ever, BUT somehow Bush has destroyed that.




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It wasn't Bush who detroyed it, it was the Dumbocrats who, seeing their favorite issues co-opted by the Republicans, decided to fall back on their old stand-by: devicivness, class envy, lies and general deceit.

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« Reply #172 on: October 26, 2004, 10:50:04 AM »
Did anyone point this out to the armchair generals of this board?  If so, my apologizes for the repeat:

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(CNN) -- The mystery surrounding the disappearance of 380 tons of powerful explosives from a storage depot in Iraq has taken a new twist, after a television news crew embedded with the U.S. military during the invasion of Iraq reported that the material could not be found when American troops arrived.

NBC News reported that on April 10, 2003, its crew was embedded with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division when troops arrived at the Al Qaqaa storage facility south of Baghdad.

While the troops found large stockpiles of conventional explosives, they did not find HMX or RDX, the types of powerful explosives that reportedly went missing, according to NBC.

The International Atomic Energy Agency revealed Monday that it had been told two weeks ago by the Iraqi government that 380 tons of HMX and RDX disappeared from Al Qaqaa after Saddam Hussein's government fell.

In a letter to the IAEA dated October 10, Iraq's director of planning, Mohammed Abbas, said the material disappeared sometime after Saddam's regime fell in April 2003, which he attributed to "the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security."

Baghdad fell on April 9, 2003. According to NBC, troops from the 101st Airborne arrived the next day and could not the material.


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« Reply #173 on: October 26, 2004, 11:29:16 AM »
I just read on the Drudge report that CBS was gonna break the story on the 31rst ( I think) on 60 minutes, and once agian try to influence the election by useing Lies and Innuendos.
  The NYT just beat them to it
  Will they never learn?

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« Reply #174 on: October 26, 2004, 11:35:41 AM »
So kerrie is going around telling everyone that Bush handed all this stuff to the terrorists through personal incompetence when it's all just a big fabricated lie that not even CNN is willing to perpetuate?

maybe it really is true that kerrie is dumber than Bush.

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« Reply #175 on: October 26, 2004, 12:02:06 PM »
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It wasn't Bush who detroyed it, it was the Dumbocrats who, seeing their favorite issues co-opted by the Republicans, decided to fall back on their old stand-by: devicivness, class envy, lies and general deceit.


I would of thought it was Bush's my way or the highway attitude he took towards everyone that caused the division. Just a guess though. And why is it that anytime someone doesn't agree with bush they are automaticlly called liberal or democrat. I know some of you have a hard time believing that not all republicans like bush, but I for one am one of them. This is even the first time I've ever voted for a democrat for president and just can't see how anyone votes on party lines along. I know some just bash Bush on everything under the sun, but at the same time all the pro-bush people think he is like a god that dosn't make any mistakes.

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« Reply #176 on: October 26, 2004, 12:14:37 PM »
"I know some just bash Bush on everything under the sun, but at the same time all the pro-bush people think he is like a god that dosn't make any mistakes."


Including Bush himself. Amusing watching the 2nd debate where Bush was pretty loud and vocal on all the issues, but when he was asked if he'd made any mistakes. Out came this quiet voice and he mumbled something about how he could of made better choices with some of the appointments he'd made.



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« Reply #177 on: October 26, 2004, 12:16:50 PM »
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MZ...have you got proof of that?  Or are you just repeating election year inuendo?


Don't you know me better than that?

NEW YORK TIMES
October 9, 2004
THE SANCTIONS
Report Cites U.S. Profits in Sale of Iraqi Oil Under Hussein
By JUDITH MILLER and ERIC LIPTON

WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - Major American oil companies and a Texas oil investor were among those who received lucrative vouchers that enabled them to buy Iraqi oil under the United Nations oil-for-food program, according to a report prepared by the chief arms inspector for the Central Intelligence Agency.

The 918-page report says that four American oil companies - Chevron, Mobil, Texaco and Bay Oil - and three individuals including Oscar S. Wyatt Jr. of Houston were given vouchers and got 111 million barrels of oil between them from 1996 to 2003. The vouchers allowed them to profit by selling the oil or the right to trade it.

The other individuals, whose names appeared on a secret list maintained by the former Iraqi government, were Samir Vincent of Annandale, Va., and Shakir al-Khafaji of West Bloomfield, Mich., according to the report by the inspector, Charles A. Duelfer.

The fact that these companies and individuals received oil from Iraq does not mean they did anything illegal, experts on the program said. Such allocations may have been proper if the individuals and companies received appropriate United Nations approval.

In interviews on Friday, spokesmen for the oil companies and for the El Paso Corporation, which assumed control of the assets of a company, Coastal Corporation, once run by Mr. Wyatt, said the transactions had been legal. But each confirmed that they had received subpoenas from a federal grand jury in New York, which is investigating "transactions in oil of Iraqi origin" as part of the oil-for-food program, according to a federal financial filing by El Paso.

The largest of the allocations went to Mr. Wyatt, who the list said had received allocations totaling 74 million barrels. At the profit rates of 15 cents to 85 cents per barrel that were reported in the arms inspector's study, he could have earned $23 million. The names of the American companies and citizens who benefited from the vouchers were not included in the published report prepared by the Iraq Survey Group that was released Wednesday by the C.I.A., since the names of American individuals cannot be publicly disclosed under privacy laws. But the names were contained in unredacted copies given to the White House and to several Congressional committees. A copy of the unedited list was shown to The New York Times.

Tony Fratto, a Treasury Department spokesman, said United States sanctions on Iraq had prohibited American companies and individuals from interacting directly with Iraqi officials. But the oil dealers were permitted to get special authorization from the federal government to bid on United Nations contracts under the oil-for-food program. He said the agency was "actively investigating" whether the American entities and people circumvented that requirement.

Reid Morden, the staff director of the Independent Inquiry Committee, the United Nations-appointed panel headed by the former United States Federal Reserve chairman, Paul A. Volcker, said his committee too was "reviewing" the new report "to see if it helps us with our investigation."

The oil-for-food program, which was started in 1996, was intended to allow Iraq, in a closely monitored way, to sell enough oil so that the country would have the resources to buy food, medicine and to maintain certain critical public facilities.

The program was abused when Saddam Hussein intervened, personally selecting individuals and companies to receive oil allocations. The allocations, also called vouchers, could be sold so that the recipient approved by Mr. Hussein did not have to trade the oil but could simply profit from the transaction.

Ultimately, Mr. Hussein began to demand kickbacks in return for these oil allocations, a requirement that some oil dealers were willing to honor given the large profit margins associated with oil trade.

The proceeds may have been used by Mr. Hussein to pay for purchases of arms in violation of sanctions, the report says.

Among American companies and citizens, Mr. Wyatt, who did not respond to messages left on Friday at his Houston office, was by far the largest recipient of oil allocations, as recorded on the secret list maintained by the Iraqi government, the report says.

For decades, Mr. Wyatt has been a hard-driving - and controversial - oil merchant who did business with Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi of Libya and helped rescue hostages in Kuwait. In 2000, his Coastal Corporation merged with the El Paso Corporation. Mr. Wyatt is still a large shareholder in El Paso, but he is not an executive with the company, which last month received the subpoena related to the Iraqi oil deals.

Mr. Khafaji and Mr. Vincent, who both received much smaller allocations in the secret Iraqi list than Mr. Wyatt, could not be reached for comment. Mr. Vincent is an Iraqi-born businessman who headed Phoenix International.

Mr. Khafaji financed a controversial film about Iraq by Scott Ritter, the former United Nations arms inspector who opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq.

Rep. Christopher Shays, the Connecticut Republican who heads the subcommittee on government reform, which has been investigating the oil-for-food program, said his panel would "follow the list wherever it takes us."

"We want a full explanation of the involvement of all American oil companies and individuals who were involved in a thoroughly corrupt program," he said.

Representative Henry J. Hyde, Republican of Illinois, chairman of the International Relations Committee that is also investigating the seven-year oil-for-food program, said in a statement that the Iraq Survey Group's report showed the "full breadth of Saddam Hussein's corruption and manipulation of the U.N. Oil for Food program."

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« Reply #178 on: October 26, 2004, 12:20:05 PM »
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I think he said that in a speech but I could be wrong.


If he took a word from French and said they had no word for it then he's an idiot.

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« Reply #179 on: October 26, 2004, 12:33:43 PM »
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What example is that??

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skerry:


The Massachusetts senator accused Bush of trying to hide until after next week's election news that 380 tons of powerful explosives were taken from an Iraqi military installation following the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

"He has stood in front of the American people day after day, telling us how much progress we are making in Iraq (news - web sites) and how much safer we are under his leadership," Kerry said. "And what did the president have to say about the missing explosives? Not a word."

"Mr. President, what else are you being silent about? What else are you keeping from the American people?" he asked.
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the truth:
(CNN) -- The mystery surrounding the disappearance of 380 tons of powerful explosives from a storage depot in Iraq has taken a new twist, after a television news crew embedded with the U.S. military during the invasion of Iraq reported that the material could not be found when American troops arrived.

NBC News reported that on April 10, 2003, its crew was embedded with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division when troops arrived at the Al Qaqaa storage facility south of Baghdad.

While the troops found large stockpiles of conventional explosives, they did not find HMX or RDX, the types of powerful explosives that reportedly went missing, according to NBC.

The International Atomic Energy Agency revealed Monday that it had been told two weeks ago by the Iraqi government that 380 tons of HMX and RDX disappeared from Al Qaqaa after Saddam Hussein's government fell.

In a letter to the IAEA dated October 10, Iraq's director of planning, Mohammed Abbas, said the material disappeared sometime after Saddam's regime fell in April 2003, which he attributed to "the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security."

Baghdad fell on April 9, 2003. According to NBC, troops from the 101st Airborne arrived the next day and could not the material.

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Like I said, the Reps need to get better at rubbing the handsomehunkcrat noses in it every time one of  their "shoot from the hip" spews backfire...
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