Author Topic: Why are there NO flu vaccine manufacturers in the USA?? (Read 504 times)

1redrum · « **Reply #15 on:** October 25, 2004, 09:33:57 PM »

socialized medicine!!has anyone been to a VA hospital or been seen by a ARMY{or other service} doctor,they for the most part are the bottom of the barrel ,,why because they cannot be taken to court,,,cant sue the goverment,america has the BEST health care system,its not perfect but what is! the thought of goverment controling heath care should scare the hell out of everyone ......
my wifes father hasent been feeling well for the last year ,and i have drove him to dayton OH VA hospital 5 times myself,to be checked out,finally last week he was feeling so bad he couldnt wait for his next app at the VA,we took him to the emergency room,within 10 hrs they found he has stage 4 cancer in his heart lungs ,unfortunatly he will not be with us much longer as it is so advanced that it cannot be treated,the civilian doctors said that there is no excuse for them to have missed it ,,but because the VA is the goverment they will just contine as before
GOVERMENT RUN HEALTH CARE ,,BE AFRAID ,,VERY AFRAID

TweetyBird · « **Reply #16 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:22:44 PM »

HMO's are about the same. They WILL kill you. Go to a veterinarian, a pharmacist, an ER, but do not go to an hmo doctor.

I'm serious, I've seen some horror stories (e.g., cutting veins too short for a bypass, heparan drips in people with bleeds, complete artificial valve failures undetected till death etc.) I'm serious, stay far away from HMO's.

Elfie · « **Reply #17 on:** October 25, 2004, 11:48:46 PM »

We use an HMO for our health care. It's health insurance offered by my wifes workplace. So far we have had no problems with them. (Kaiser Permanente) We have been very satisfied with the health care they offer.

When I shot my right knee with a nail gun, I drove myself to the HMO (nail was still in my knee). Their small emergency clinic was very efficient.

When my daughter got bit by a dog, they paid for everything, ambulance, ER you name it. We didnt pay a dime.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #18 on:** October 25, 2004, 11:58:48 PM »

Good luck to you. But HMO's get the cheapest doctors and it shows.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #19 on:** October 25, 2004, 11:59:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
We use an HMO for our health care. It's health insurance offered by my wifes workplace. So far we have had no problems with them. (Kaiser Permanente) We have been very satisfied with the health care they offer.

When I shot my right knee with a nail gun, I drove myself to the HMO (nail was still in my knee). Their small emergency clinic was very efficient.

When my daughter got bit by a dog, they paid for everything, ambulance, ER you name it. We didnt pay a dime.

Elfie now imagine your HMO or even the clinic refusing to help you becuase they are afraid to get sued. Doctors today are practicing defensive medicine (if they are still practicing) because they can't afford not too. No one who wants this reformed want's to make these guys completly imune from liability but some sort of protection must be given to them.

Imagine your daughter contracting viruses that used to be simple to inocluate from because the company that made them last year went out of business because of greedy lawyers. Imagine her getting sick from a sub-standard inocluation made overseas under no FDA guidlines and having no recouse to take because of it. This is a serious matter.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2004, 12:03:09 AM »

And imagine your doctor being one of lowest paid in his proffession, and ask yourself , "why?" Either he's benevolent, desparate or incompetent - or maybe just starting out. Me, I'd opt for the expensive guy with a well documented history. Sorry, but sometimes there are no second chances.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #21 on:** October 26, 2004, 12:08:58 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
And imagine your doctor being one of lowest paid in his proffession, and ask yourself , "why?" Either he's benevolent, desparate or incompetent - or maybe just starting out. Me, I'd opt for the expensive guy with a well documented history. Sorry, but sometimes there are no second chances.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here? How does this realate to what I've been saying with the second chances thing?

TweetyBird · « **Reply #22 on:** October 26, 2004, 12:16:34 AM »

I'm saying avoid HMO's like the plague. They hire the cheapest doctors and do the cheapest test, and if you get old and expensive guess whats going to happen? A heparan drip when you have a peritoneal bleed.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #23 on:** October 26, 2004, 12:17:37 AM »

ahhh....I see!