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Offline richard_rds

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Help, no bios setting for AGP Aperature size?
« on: October 26, 2004, 03:18:38 AM »
I just purchased an Emachines T3256 (xp3200+, winXP, 1G 2700 ram) and a Nvidia 6800 (thanks guys for the help in my purchasing thread). I get pretty good Ffps in AH2 (usually 40-72), occasionally 25 if i have the clipboard open with a large map).  Maybe once every 2 minutes i get a 1 second freeze.  

   When i installed the FarCry game that came with the 6800 it told me after the game install that the AGP Aperature size on the PC was to low and i should at least set it to 64M (so i am assuming the game thinks it is set at 32M). The 6800 has 128M of mem so i should set the AGP Aperature to that according to the Nvidia install guide.

   My pblm is there is no place in the bios to set it. It has Pheonix Award Bios, but it looks like a stripped down set.  In the advanced menus there is only 2 video settings, one to select the PCI slot or the AGP/onboard graphics, and the other for the amount of memory that the onboard grahics uses ( it was set at 64M because the Nforce mx onboard chip uses that).  

   Other bios that i have seen actually have the onboard mem option and a separate option for AGP aoperature.  Also after Farcry loaded its setup utility, it defaulted to all low quality settings because it thinks my AGP aperature is set to low.

    So my questions are:

1.  Is there a way via a command in winxp to actually see what the AGP aperature is set at (i can't check it via the bios becuse the setting is not there), or a utility that will tell me.

2.  I went back to best buy and 80% of the PC's there had a similar bios without an AGP aperature setting (compaqs and HP's),
but i found a few that had a bios that had the AGP aperature setting.  Is it common in todays times with onboard graphics that they are leaving the Aperature setting out of the bios.

3. I called Emachines, Pheonix, Nvidia and none of them would help me, just got the run around after hours on the phone.

4.  The MOBO is a FICA AU31, I called FICA and they said they make that board special for Emachines only, and it is Emachines responsibility for Bios questions or upgrades. I called Emachine and they say they don't support bios issues (WTF!!!).

5. I quess my main question is how important is it to have the AGP Aperature setting set to match the MEM on the graphics card, the Nvidia install manual says it is important, and the farcry game is giving warning messages about it being set to low, and the game is defaulting to low quality graphics settings because of it.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2004, 03:28:32 AM by richard_rds »

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Help, no bios setting for AGP Aperature size?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2004, 04:52:42 AM »
i knew there had to be a catch to that pc ...

sorry man , the darn pic from the emachines site shows the asus a7n8x-vm inside that pc (I would know ive built several pc's for friends using that MB )

What they gave you was a  bottem line korean MB instead ...

 http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/FIC/AU31/



ok this is the screen i think this is taken from this page ,so it looks like they have it set to 128mb and (AGP/onboard)  

i would set it up this way in the bios , they said they used a ati 9700 pro in the testing setup . so i wonder if there could be a jumper on the MB that disables the onboard grafic's (like all the asus ,amptron,ecs mb's have ) ???

As for perfomance wise it runs right with the abit and the asus MB at stock clock settings .


I did search for a updated or custom bios but so far ive struck out .
« Last Edit: October 26, 2004, 04:54:51 AM by Roscoroo »
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2004, 04:59:10 AM »
that Motherboard  is also known as this  

FIC K7M-NF18G (AU31)

if your gonna do any searching on it . just trying for au 31 is pritty slim and sends ya off to this korean pron site ....
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2004, 10:10:30 AM »
Hey,

I was kind of in the same situation.  I bought a FIC 39l motherboard off of ebay.  Turns out it was an emachines mb.  After several hours of looking I found this site that is dedicated to "fixing" the wrongs emachines has done (kidding).
I altered my link that I had from am39l to au31 and it turns out they have several bioses listed for your motherboard.  
One problem that I had with my emachine mb is that in the manual to update the bios, I was suppose to remove a jumper, turns out the jumper had to be there to flash the bios.  I'm guessing it was a poor chinese to english translation.  


http://www.e4allinc.info/dir1/motherboards/socketa/au31_downloads.htm

Good luck, I hope this helps.

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2004, 12:23:04 PM »
My emachines came with an ECS L7Vmm motherboard. I went to the ECS website and downloaded the newest bios without problems


Sorry about your FIC problems.

Here is a link to the bios from FIC :

http://ftp://ftp.fica.com/BIOS/motherboards/socketa/AU31/

Remember to save your old bios BEFORE flashing -- this way you can revert to it in the case of problems.


The only thing with the new bios is your restore CDs will not work after. If you have to use them you will have to reflash the original bios first


OR


use this website

http://www.e4allinc.info/dir1/motherboards/socketa/au31_downloads.htm

http://www.e4allinc.info/dir1/motherboards/socketa/au31.htm
  oops - just read previous post -- see these links are already present


Your mainboard is not a bad one....it is not for the overclocker...but has a strong performance....

Acetnt
« Last Edit: October 26, 2004, 12:30:45 PM by acetnt367th »

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2004, 01:22:25 PM »
E-Machines do use jumpers to disable onboard video and onboard sound.

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2004, 04:44:06 AM »
Thanks for the responce guys.  I did alot of searching and reading of articles about the effects of AGP aperature size settings, following are my conclusions:

   1. AGP Aperature Size (AAS) is MOBO sys memory that your Graphics card will use when the graphics card onboard mem is all used.

  2. AAS setting was much more important in the earler days of graphics cards when they only had 16/32M ram on the cards. With todays 128/256M cards this setting is not as important.

  3. You can set the AAS in the bios, but alot of the box pushers (emachines, gateway, compaq, dell, hp, ect...) are leaving the advanced graphics setting out of their modified stripped down bios. In these cases the AAS is usually hard set to 32 or 64 or 128M and cannot be changed.

  4. If your bios does allow you to set the AAS this is how it works.  That AAS mem you set is not used by the graphics card (GC) unless all the onbard mem on the GC is used up first.  The actual amont of addidional mem that the GC gets is only a percentage of the size you set your AAS too, this is because there are gart tables and mem wasted for administrative tasks that support the AAS feature.  The formula is  AAS/2 -12M.  So if your AAS is set at 64M your GC is only getting an additiona  20M of ram (but remember in the days of 16/32M GC's this was significant.   if the AAS is set at 128M you are getting an additional 52M, AAS set at 256M you are getting an additional 116M.  bellybutton set to 32M you are only getting an additional 4M.  The sys mem (AAS) is not used untill all the GC on card mem is used, so other apps and proccesses on you pc can use the AAS sys ram untill the GC needs it.

  5. If you can adjust your AAS in the bios never set it lower then 16M, if you do the AAS feature is diabled, and some programs may not run if they expect AAS support, even if you have a GC with 256M memory do not set the AAS to lower then 16M.

  6. Now for the myths and rummors, i did alot of google searching and found many recomendations for setting the size of the ASS, the two most common were:

(1) Set your AAS to half your sys ram:
     Does not make sence for todays PC's with with greater then 512M sys ram.  If you have a PC with 512M or less ram, and a GC with 64M or less ram then following this rule may be good advice.
But if you have a GC with 128/256M ram then there is no need to raise your AAS (leave it at the default 64 or 128M setting).

(2) Set your AAS to the size of the mem on you GC:
       This is what the nvidia install guides states, but does it really matter or make sence to do this. With that amount of mem on the GC's they probably won't need additional mem space, and remeber you are actually getting less then 50% of the AAS setting (AAS/2-12M).
Actually setting the AAS to these higher settings 128 or 256M can actually slow things down because the mem GART tables will need to be larger.

   So here are my conclusions:

For todays generation of GC's with 128/256M of mem on the card AAS is not nearly as important as it was in the past with the older 16/32/64M mem cards.  If your bios does allow you to change it set the AAS to 64 or 128M.  If your bios does not allow you to modify it thats fine, the 32 or 64 or 128M default that your bios is using will be fine with GC's with 128/256M of ram.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2004, 02:36:33 PM by richard_rds »

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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2004, 01:01:20 PM »
"Not nearly as important" still means there are situations where it's important.  I've seen AH2 require large amounts of my 128MB of video memory. There are games out there I dont play that DO use up more than 128MB of memory.  Unless people are exaggerating, which is possible.  Still, with only 128MB of video RAM I want more than 20MB of system RAM standing by as backup.  

Regardless, I'd want to know what the settings are so I could figure into total cost what equipment I have to buy to make up for any shortcomings.

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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2004, 02:45:37 PM »
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
"Not nearly as important" still means there are situations where it's important.  I've seen AH2 require large amounts of my 128MB of video memory. There are games out there I dont play that DO use up more than 128MB of memory.  Unless people are exaggerating, which is possible.  Still, with only 128MB of video RAM I want more than 20MB of system RAM standing by as backup.  

Regardless, I'd want to know what the settings are so I could figure into total cost what equipment I have to buy to make up for any shortcomings.

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  Point well taken SoA2,

  I quess there could be games that require more then 128M, so if you are running one of those games and only have a 128M GC then mabe it makes sence to increase the AAS to 128 or 256M (if your bios supports AAS size settings), but remember the mem gart tables get larger too and this can also slow up processing, so experiemnt with the tradeoff of additional graphics ram vs larger (slower proccesing) GART tables.

   The main point i was trying to make with my responce is that if you are like me and bought a PC from a box pusher who stripped down the bios (does not include AAS setting) you don't need to loose any sleep over it while playing AH2. The default AAS they have hard coded in the bios should be OK, even if it is 32M as in my case, as long as you have a GC with 128 or more ram.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2004, 12:37:24 PM »
Yes.  I wasnt disagreeing with you.  Sometimes I have a hard time making a point without sounding like I am shooting down someone else's.  In my family you win arguments by total domination even when you agree lol.

The point I was making was, until 256MB cards are the norm you should have your AGP aperture set to 128MB to be safe.  Not because you will need it, at least not in a large percentage of cases, but because it's better to be safe than sorry.  And if you buy a system that does not allow you to change the settings, thats fine but I think they should include documentation to show what the default is set at so you can plan accordingly in your purchase of a video card (i.e. if it is set to 64 or 32MB then I'd have to make sure I have a 256MB video card to be safe).

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2004, 02:48:12 PM »
No pblm SoA2,

     It is always better to get iformation from as many sources as possible, the better informed we are, the better decisions we can make.  Your points of view make sence to me and i appreciate your input!!!