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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2004, 02:45:26 PM »
hmm... they didn't call it that when they went after us...  aren't we a race?   Course, like I said... they didn't get much flack from the public who tended to have very little sympathy for us poor white criminal neonazis.

criminal is a criminal... gang is a gang..  you go after em with what works otherwise you are just jerkin off.

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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2004, 02:47:49 PM »
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hmm... they didn't call it that when they went after us...  aren't we a race?   Course, like I said... they didn't get much flack from the public who tended to have very little sympathy for us poor white criminal neonazis.

criminal is a criminal... gang is a gang..  you go after em with what works otherwise you are just jerkin off.

lazs


Agreed. But the ACLU might have something to $ue, er I mean say about that. ;)
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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2004, 02:54:22 PM »
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they could do the exact same thing now but it would mean pulling over cars full of blacks or other minorities that were dressed like gangbangers.   sure... a few inocent minorities would get harrassed but I am sure that would be no problem right curval?  


Ask any black man who drives around how many times he gets pulled over already on that basis lazs.  I think you will find that what worked for your buddies isn't working on the blacks simply because of sheer numbers.  I think the cops are trying EXACTLY that tactic but it isn't working.

The drugs trade, which we agree has a great deal to do with gun crime, can be visually represented by a pyramid.  You and your buddies were near the top.  The blacks were/are the guys at the bottom.  Notice when you draw a pyramid the bottom part is much bigger then the top.

Now, you are laying blame for gun crime on blacks that you and your buddies partially orchestrated.  Connect the dots back to where it came from and you have to accept some of the responsibility yourself and not simply say "blacks are more violent than whites".  That is what you said above and THAT is what I have a problem with.

It is your interpretation of a statistic that appears logical but is in fact racist.
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2004, 02:54:47 PM »
then ya go after that gang too.

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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2004, 02:55:24 PM »
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Get rid of the bike gangs and their crimminal networks and you'd see a HUGE decrease in gun violence.
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 :D  Gotta love it.
  Define bike gang from your POV please.
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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2004, 02:56:46 PM »
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:D  Gotta love it.
  Define bike gang from your POV please.


Ask lazs.  He knows what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2004, 03:00:02 PM »
curval... no I don't really know what you are talking about.   I know what used to be.    You are saying me and my buddies so I assume you are talking about the past.   It does not exist anymkore as a viable force for the reasons mentioned.  

jakal is asking you to define biker gangs in the context of being a criminal force in todays America.   I believe jakal is laughing at your misconception.

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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2004, 03:03:14 PM »
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The drugs trade, which we agree has a great deal to do with gun crime, can be visually represented by a pyramid.  You and your buddies were near the top.  The blacks were/are the guys at the bottom.  Notice when you draw a pyramid the bottom part is much bigger then the top.

Now, you are laying blame for gun crime on blacks that you and your buddies partially orchestrated.  Connect the dots back to where it came from and you have to accept some of the responsibility yourself and not simply say "blacks are more violent than whites".  That is what you said above and THAT is what I have a problem with.

 


Whoop! Der it is! Blame whitey!
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2004, 03:04:07 PM »
As am I talking of the past lazs...jackal missed the point and you "got it".

The biker gangs of the past were the Christopher Columbus' of the drug trade, which you readily admit.

Today it is the other gangs...the Asians, the Russians, the Jamaicans, the Columbians.  But, the same principle applies.

Rip, don't be silly.  It isn't race that is to blame...it is more like socio-economics.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2004, 03:06:11 PM by Curval »
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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2004, 03:20:49 PM »
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As am I talking of the past lazs...jackal missed the point and you "got it".


  I just asked you to define "bike gangs" statement from your POV.  
 Forgetaboutit.
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Re: Re: U.S.A. violent crimes drop 3% but....
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2004, 03:22:09 PM »
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. This is borne out by our relatively low gun homicide tally,  


The problem with your theory is that England had essentially the same low rate for ages BEFORE the latest ban/confiscation laws AND English rates have certainly not materially decreased since the laws. They may have trended slightly upwards since.

So much for your theory.
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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2004, 03:35:48 PM »
Root cause people.. root cause.  What is it? The root cause of urban crime isn't race, or even drugs.......... it is poverty and despair. No chance in life? Join a gang... leave your family...etc.  It is the lucky and incredible few who escape and succeed out of that environment.

Black people are suffering the most poverty and despair and as a result are experiencing the highest crime rate. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2004, 03:56:37 PM »
So MT, I agree that is a huge part of the problem, not that gun, but what can really be done?
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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2004, 04:01:27 PM »
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Root cause people.. root cause.  What is it? The root cause of urban crime isn't race, or even drugs.......... it is poverty and despair. No chance in life? Join a gang... leave your family...etc.  It is the lucky and incredible few who escape and succeed out of that environment.

Black people are suffering the most poverty and despair and as a result are experiencing the highest crime rate. Seems like a no-brainer to me.


stay in school , get a job, seems like a no-brainer to me.
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2004, 04:40:49 PM »
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The problem with your theory is that England had essentially the same low rate for ages BEFORE the latest ban/confiscation laws AND English rates have certainly not materially decreased since the laws. They may have trended slightly upwards since.

So much for your theory.
You're obsessed with that 1996 ban, and it has bugger all to do with anything. It would have been very difficult to get a handgun before the ban, and it might have been even harder after it. I don't even know what that ban did - (something to do with calibre?) - except maybe portray Blair's government as caring, and trustworthy - :lol  So if we accept for one moment (and I'm sure you'll agree) that the new legislation made bugger all difference, then what we have now as the status quo also existed before 1996/97 or whenever the hell it was.

So why do you keep talking about a piece of legislation that in your opinion did nothing? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the gun control we've always had. You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that gun ownership in Britain before 1996 was akin to that of the US in 1881. :lol

There has been no discernible trend with regard to gun homicides. It's been between 50 and 100 for the past 20 years, except 1985 (45) and 1996 (49). In 1987 it was 77 (Hungerford Massacre) and in 1995 it was 70 (Dunblane).

I'm not aware of any "confiscations". There have been two amnesties.
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