U.S.A. violent crimes drop 3% but....

[lazs2]

beetle... you seem to have a problem with total and per capita.

Our crime is going down per capita and our homicide rate is going down per capita..   not much on the homicide but.... better than going up.   our overall crime rate is going down.  

tweety... what is your idea of what happened in that situation?   is it poverty that caused it?  were the shooters robbing poor people?    Was it concealled carry white guys out on a vigalante mission?   maybe handguns had gotten loose from their gunlocks and went on a spree?    Gun owners just simply went crazy?  what exactly?

lazs

[JBA]

Originally posted by midnight Target
unemployment rates..

OFFICIAL UNEMPLOYMENT:   5.4%  

White                                   4.7%
African American                  10.3%
Hispanic                               7.1%
Men 20 years and over        5.0%
Women 20 years and over  4.7%
Teen-agers (16-19 years)   16.6%
Black teens                          28.9%

Don’t get pregnant as a teen, 72% illegitimacy in black community
Stay in High school/go to college,  4% graduate from college.

These are the two leading factors to poverty.

Nobodies fault but their own.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by JBA
Don’t get pregnant as a teen, 72% illegitimacy in black community
Stay in High school/go to college,  4% graduate from college.

These are the two leading factors to poverty.

Nobodies fault but their own.

Root cause? No. Just another symptom.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Root cause? No. Just another symptom.

Symptom of what? Prejudice? A victim mentality serves only to perpetuate victimhood.

[TweetyBird]

Sorry Laz, but my pseudo-scientists have the day off (I think its for pseudo-arbor day). If I thought you were really looking for illumination and not support of preconcieved notions, hell I might type a little.  Just slap a lable on them (lord knows you're in no short supply of those) and write if off.


"People use political shows like a drunk uses a lamposts - for support not illumination." - James Carville

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by AKIron
Symptom of what? Prejudice? A victim mentality serves only to perpetuate victimhood.

Unless of course you are a victim.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Unless of course you are a victim.

Or a guilt-ridden white man...

[JBA]

Originally posted by JBA
Don’t get pregnant as a teen, 72% illegitimacy in black community
Stay in High school/go to college,  4% graduate from college.

These are the two leading factors to poverty.

Nobodies fault but their own.

Originally posted by midnight Target
Root cause? No. Just another symptom.

This is the Root cause of poverty. All leading studies on poverty sites children out of wedlock, or single parenthood, and lack of education has the leading factor to poverty. Crime is the symptom of this.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Unless of course you are a victim.

Not of course at all. The best way to remain a victim is to wallow in your misery and blame others. Or, you could accept that life isn't fair and do something about your situation. It is much easier to commiserate with your fellow victims and blame someone else though. Easier yet when there are many telling you every step of the way that you're being oppressed and not to blame for your situation.

Who here hasn't had hardship in their life? How many of us could whine and blame all of our troubles on an unfair life? Is there anyone here that achieved their goals without difficulty and adversity?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... you seem to have a problem with total and per capita.

Our crime is going down per capita and our homicide rate is going down per capita..   not much on the homicide but.... better than going up.   our overall crime rate is going down.  

Nope. I just checked the US Census Bureau website. The US Population rose by about 4.7% between 2000 and 2003, but homicides rose by nearly 9% in the same period. You're still wrong.

Also, you might want to consider when making your per capita assessments about crime in Britain that our population is rising too.

[lazs2]

tweety... I would be glad to be illuminated.  mt at least believes something... he believes that if you gave all the poor blacks enough money to keep them out of the poverty level they would not be commiting crimes in disproprotionate levels.

I have no preconcieved notions of why they are doing it but find "poverty" much too simplistic.   it doesn't explain all the poor people who are law abiding.

but, I find that you tweety are not in the least adverse to simplistic labling of people and groups if they are groups that you have been trained to feel superior to.

lazs

[TweetyBird]

Oh, I see the redneck crack is still sticking in your craw.

"I've had enough of watching scenes
Of schizophrenic, egocentric, paranoic primadonnas...

Ah, I'm sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, shortsighted, narrow-minded hypocrites...

I've had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians...

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son-of-tricky dick
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocket full of soap
Money for dope
Money for rope...

All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth"

Imagine that..
Slap that on your Jane Fonda dart board, I have no need to cozy up to ya

[lazs2]

tweety...I don't believe you ever called me a redneck.  in fact... you rarely say anthing that isn't a quote or a soundbite that has little or nothing to do with what is being said....  you have on occassion alluded to the fact that you do indeed have some beliefs but....

as for your quote.... if you can't think for yourself at least pick a song or whatever that makes a tiny bit of sense.  

lazs

[TweetyBird]

Sure thing, sweety, whatever you say...

[Toad]

Home Office? OK... here's some Home Office stuff

Crime in England and Wales 2002/2003: Supplementary Volume 1:Homicide and Gun Crime January 2004

SUMMARY

Firearms other than air weapons were reported to have been used in 10,248 recorded crimes in 2002/03. This was a two per cent increase over the previous year, following a much larger increase of 34 per cent in the previous year.

Let's go with the 10,248 number then. Note this is a 2% INCREASE over the previous year. It was up 34% the year after that. This DOES NOT include "air weapons". Last two years your firearms crimes are up 36%..... how's that check out against ours again?

Air weapons were reported to have been used in 13,822 recorded crimes, a rise of 12 per cent compared with 2001/02. This rise may have been inflated by the introduction of the National Crime Recording Standard.

Hmm, your "air weapons" crime is up 12%... better ban those too. Of course, you'll probably get the same result. Increasing numbers.

Handguns were used in 5,549 recorded crimes, a decrease of six per cent on the previous year. The previous year, there had been an increase of 43 per cent.

Well, you had a 6% decrease in hangun crime, down from a skyrocketing 43% increase the year before. That ban sure is working for ya.

There were 1,815 recorded crimes which were believed to involve imitation weapons in 2002/03, an increase of 46 per cent over the previous year.

Funny, your Home Office number was 2150; in any event it's way less than your 2/3rds. But you best get an accountant over to the Home Office to set things right. They put out a lot of conflicting numbers.

The British status quo has been arrived at by a few hundred people giving up a hobby.

Hardly. From the infallible Home Office

CRIMINALS’ CASH TO TACKLE GUN CRIME

The national firearms amnesty which ran from March 31 – April 30 2003 saw a total of 43,908 guns and 1,039,358 rounds of ammunition handed in. This compares to 22,939 guns and 695,197 rounds of ammunition during the amnesty in June 1996. The guns figure includes 6,529 prohibited firearms (including 5,734 handguns), 10,513 shot guns, 13,974 air weapons, 9,480 imitations and 3,412 assorted rifles and other guns. In addition, a total of 7,093 other weapons, including knives, swords and crossbows, were handed in.

Few hundred? BS. This only scratches the surface.