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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2004, 04:02:12 PM »
Lets everyone cut the cospiracy crap... Its just retarted from both sides...
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« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2004, 04:02:52 PM »
Karnak,

It's not the speed (which seems low)...it's the pitiful overall performance compared to other similiar planes. Obviously I'm basing this on one flight, but it just bled out E wise vs a poorly flown spitty. I'd of been better of in a P40-B...in a Ki or F6F I'd of eaten the spitty up. I expected the Frank to handle on par with the spitty or even a touch better than the spit IX. Certainly as well as the F6F....didnt seem to be even close to me.

On a seperate "topic" I've seen various mentions of MW-50 or such...I thought this was the "WEP" for the 190. If in fact the Ki-84 had MW-50 isnt that WEP...I thought it was carried in a seperate tank and added as needed for additional performance???
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« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2004, 04:05:10 PM »
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Lets everyone cut the cospiracy crap... Its just retarted from both sides...

I agree.  It isn't a conspiracy.  There are multiple Allied rides that also seem to be on the low end of their performance specs.


However I am very confused about the Ki-84.  It kinda feels like a kid who expected a bike under the tree for Christmas and found underwear.:p
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« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2004, 04:18:52 PM »
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However I am very confused about the Ki-84.  It kinda feels like a kid who expected a bike under the tree for Christmas and found underwear.:p


more like hoping for lance armstrongs bike, expecting something reasonably good, and getting a CCM...
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« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2004, 04:58:27 PM »
388mph and no water methanol....

WOW!!! :eek:

At least we know it won't be perked.

Can anyone here post the power settings from the clipboard?
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Patience, gentlemen.........
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2004, 05:00:16 PM »
Pyro already commented that he had found the reason for the lower than expected performance, yet we still see folks commenting as if they are seeing the final product.
I would expect to see a patch from Pyro and an attending explanation sometime tonight, or early tomorrow morning.
I too was looking forward to seeing the Ki84, as I had a blast with it in Brand W, but who is gonna quibble over 4 mph (388 vs 392mph)?
As an aside, I too am surprised at the mention of no WEP, but Pyro addressed that also with his comment that Busa is looking into it as we speak.

Be patient..........we'll get that Nipponese superplane you all crave.......:p
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« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2004, 05:00:44 PM »
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388mph and no water methanol....

WOW!!! :eek:

Worse, it is exactly the same speed as the N1K2-J at SL, 324mph.
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« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2004, 05:06:02 PM »
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Can anyone here post the power settings from the clipboard?


Military:  2900rpm @ 250mm manifold
Normal:  2650rpm @ 100mm manifold
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« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2004, 05:08:38 PM »
Ok check news, patch out.

ed: aren't we all glad it didn't come out Friday afternoon when we'd have had to fly our neutered Ki all weekend?
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Re: Patience, gentlemen.........
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2004, 05:10:01 PM »
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Pyro already commented that he had found the reason for the lower than expected performance, yet we still see folks commenting as if they are seeing the final product.
I would expect to see a patch from Pyro and an attending explanation sometime tonight, or early tomorrow morning.
I too was looking forward to seeing the Ki84, as I had a blast with it in Brand W, but who is gonna quibble over 4 mph (388 vs 392mph)?
As an aside, I too am surprised at the mention of no WEP, but Pyro addressed that also with his comment that Busa is looking into it as we speak.

Be patient..........we'll get that Nipponese superplane you all crave.......:p

No we won't.  All the numbers I've been refering to are Pyro's intended numbers, not the numbers it actually hits.

It is useless as it is.  It brings absolutely no balance to late war Pac setups and is far, far inferior to the N1K2-J for MA purposes when using Pyros numbers.

As to the speed at altitude, who cares.  388mph or 427mph makes no difference as that isn't where the fighting takes place.  The speed that matters on all aircraft is the speed at SL and 324mph does absolutely nothing in the MA.  It is a joke.

I am frankly in utter disbelief about the performance numbers chosen by HTC.  I didn't expect 363mph and 427mph and would have agreed with anybody saying those were too high.  However it is absurd to use the performance numbers on the first prototype from early 1943 as the basis of the performance of the Ki-84 with many improvments and a more powerful engine from mid-1944.
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« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2004, 05:11:04 PM »
Full power bug is fixed in Patch 1.
But still NO WEP.

The Ki-84 had Emergency (1 min) Power at 3000rpm/400mm(350mm?).
plane has over boost setting. NO WEP is weird...

Anyway, we need to discuss about this.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2004, 05:24:45 PM by Mitsu »
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2004, 05:13:57 PM »
New deck top speed is 323mph with 100% fuel.
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« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2004, 05:20:11 PM »
i would like to see the poor quailty of the late war japanese aircraft engines modeled, go full throttle and you just might puke your engine.
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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2004, 05:22:21 PM »
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The 388 mph (624 kph) figure is for "standard maximum speed" at +250 boost.


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The same manual gives the aircraft's take off boost as +400mm.


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Clearly the Type 4 fighter could fly faster than 388 mph if the pilot increased power above +250. The question then becomes, how much faster. The manual doesn't answer that question.


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AIREVIEW's General View of Japanese Military Aircraft In ThePacific War, Vol.1,pg.320:

Ha-45/11 NK9-B(IJN-nomenclature)
HP(T.O.): 1,800 @ 400mmHg & 2,900rpm
HP(2,000m/6,562-ft): 1,650 @ 250mmHg & same-rpm
HP(5,700m/18,701-ft): 1,460 @ 250mmHg & same-rpm


So the AH2 Ki-84 can't go above 250mmHg even on take off?
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« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2004, 05:28:12 PM »
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i would like to see the poor quailty of the late war japanese aircraft engines modeled, go full throttle and you just might puke your engine.

Can I have P-40 and F4F engines puking all over the place in the early war too?

What?  That's not OK?
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