Author Topic: t34 (Read 2254 times)

BlueJ1 · « **on:** November 01, 2004, 01:40:52 PM »

It sure is one ugly gv.
And one tough shell to crack.

JB73 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 01, 2004, 01:47:11 PM »

LOL

are they everywhere in the MA right now?

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 01, 2004, 01:52:40 PM »

They were until they were being owned mulitple times by panzers and tigers.

Tops out at 35.
T34 vs T34 is only good fights.
No top gun to shoot down aircraft =(
Hull gun real bad view.

Will work best IMO in tanktowns.

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2004, 01:57:46 PM »

Yeah, the Panzer IV H should absolutely dominate the T-34/76D. At typical AH engagement rages the T-34 might as well not be armored according to the gun penetration data I was looking at on the internet.

emodin · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:53:05 PM »

The worry I have with our version of the T-34 (76.2mm gun version) is that:

1) Comparing the T-34 to PzrIV guns, the PzrIV should out-penetrate (ie chance of getting a penetration whereas the other gun cannot at a similar range) the T-34 by a good margin at long ranges

2) the T-34 does not have any real anti-air capability. Some people may mention the coaxil mg, but the fact is that using a coaxil for AA work is, IMHO, rediculous due to both the amount of time to turn to the target, target acquisition, and limited elevation.

This is somewhat offset by the speed of the T-34 (~10 mph faster than the PzrIV). The slope armor may also have some unforseen impact in AH above what I expect, but I haven't messed with the T-34 yet, so I have no way of judging its effects.

I am hoping that HTC will decide to bring in the T-34/85mm version soon since it SHOULD-ie I am guessing on this-be easy to model. I say this because the hull is the exact same one on the T-34/76 that we have. All they would need to add would be the model of the turret, turret armor data, and 85mm gun data.

Furthermore, although it would be faster and have a better gun than the PzrIV, it is 1) not up-armored from the T-34/76 [according to what I have read], 2) it would have a good/excellent chance of killing PzrIVs at long ranges, and a significantly better chance at killing Tigers. Furthermore, without any pintle gun (AA mount), ANY T-34s will always have to worry about enemy aircraft...and T-34s are going to be driving around in a game dominated by aircraft.

Having said all of that, I do believe that everyone should take time to actually test out what the T-34 can do in the game before they jump to any conclusions about it's viability in the MA.

JB73 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2004, 02:57:55 PM »

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Originally posted by emodin
and T-34s are going to be driving around in a game dominated by aircraft.

not by a really long shot. panzers have more kills than any aircraft by more than 2. ship gunners are the closest, yet behind by 20,000 kills overall.

hardly a plane dominated game.

Tarmac · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2004, 03:08:09 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
not by a really long shot. panzers have more kills than any aircraft by more than 2. ship gunners are the closest, yet behind by 20,000 kills overall.

hardly a plane dominated game.

If there was only one decent unperked fighter plane in the game, it'd have a lot of kills too. Not a valid comparison.

Compare all aircraft kills to all GV kills, and you'd be a little closer to being relevant.

emodin · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2004, 03:09:05 PM »

The number of kills is skewed towards the tanks, but I would argue that this is due more to the typical fighter/bomber straffing run that ends with said pilot slamming into terra firma than anything else. Heck, I got something around 30 kills once just by sitting at the end of a runway with no treads, no main turret (or pintle gun), and only 1 GV kill to my name. Or think about the number of spawn camping kills that goes on.

And if you don't buy that, just look around next time you are attacking a base and notice how many guys are in aircraft versus how many are in gvs.

Now, if you can show me that total aircraft deaths (as in EACH type of aircraft) is less than total gv deaths, then I might start to agree with you. Then again, since I fly and drive in AH, my personal experience would still tend to disagree with you.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2004, 03:36:07 PM »

Saying that PzIV has more kills than any single fighter is utterly ridiculus.

We have what? Maybe 50 or 100 fighters? And we have only 1 free unperked MBT up to now...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2004, 03:54:21 PM »

I haven't played with it with a Panzer. Althought I sat there are put nearly 30 shells from a T34 onto another T34. Nothing happened. Finally, when a plane bombed it I got the kill. The only thing I could touch was the treads.

It seemed to me like a lot of shots were ricocheting off that shouldn't have been. A dead straight on armor shot doesn't bounce up.

Tarmac · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2004, 03:56:16 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It seemed to me like a lot of shots were ricocheting off that shouldn't have been. A dead straight on armor shot doesn't bounce up.

With the T-34's sloped armor it can. That was the whole point of it.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2004, 04:18:27 PM »

t34 vs t34 is a long..............battle. Takes forever to do damage it seems.

Baine · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2004, 10:05:04 AM »

You're right about that. Never realized it took so loooooooong to load the cannon on one of those. Gotta put some pep pills into that crew's borscht

Pongo · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2004, 10:25:47 AM »

Its beautifle

Wurger · « **Reply #14 on:** November 02, 2004, 10:36:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Yeah, the Panzer IV H should absolutely dominate the T-34/76D. At typical AH engagement rages the T-34 might as well not be armored according to the gun penetration data I was looking at on the internet.

Agreed, the T34 does seem to be a little tougher than it should be...

Bazi