Extremely disappointed

[Scootter]

Originally posted by ra
I'm with you on electronic voting.  Get rid of it.  There should be a paper ballot which can be re-counted if necessary.  Voting without a physical ballot is an invitation to massive fraud.

I didn't vote for Kerry either.

ra

I guess you never use an ATM for any of your banking, never bank on line, or make a purchase by computer.

You never do any online tradeing or send e-mails, you never drive on a toll road with an E-pass.



I have no problem with E-voteing but then I am a youngen of only 42 and grew up with computers.


Get used to it, electrons are nonpartazion punch cards can be lost,padded, repunched.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I'm 23 and grew up learning computers.

I have an inherent distrust for technology, because I know how easy it is to make something electronic not trust worthy.

Memory cards can be wiped, inputs can yield different outputs, no paper reciepts for your voting, etc.
-SW

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
"What do I do with this little memory card?" One of the polling volunteers takes it and places it on the same table where they are handing out the blank memory cards...

SW the card was not your ballot.  The card is just for authentication to use the voting system.  It's like typing in a password, or inserting a key.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Okay, I did not know that.

Still, that makes it even easier to tamper with.
-SW

[Zippatuh]

I think that electronic voting is a good idea as long as there are a few additions to it.

The voter should always receive a printed copy of what they voted for as well as the poll.  If there was a problem with say, a big magnet, or someone placing a voted memory card in the blank pile the numbers could be referenced at the end.  The number of paper ballots compared to the number of electronic ballots should be equal.  If there needs to be a recount, the paper would be the first place to start.

There should also be an online database that can be referenced by the voter to insure that what they voted for actually got marked.

Bush was my only Republican vote, I voted Libertarian on all the others.

[Karnak]

I agree with AKS\/\/ulfe.

However I'd point out that even a paperballot or record doesn't help if somebody has hacked the computers to generate a certain result.  All they have to do is have the computers tally the vote up so that it is outside of the recount margins and voila, nobody'll ever know.  The system I voted on was a fill in the dot on paper and have the computer read it, ala SATs.  Now who can absolutely guarantee that the reading computer hasn't been programmed to ignore that dot and produce a given result?

I am uncomfortable with these black box tools for calculating the vote.  It just seems to me that using old methods and technologies you'd need a whole heck of a lot more people in on a hijack than you would with the computers.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Okay, I did not know that.

Still, that makes it even easier to tamper with.
-SW

What makes what easier to tamper with?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

The data stored right there on sight in a database.
-SW

[SLO]

you guys should know by now that Laz is the quint essential 'REDNECK' persona on this here board.....

big bellybutton truck that consumes alot of gas......check

dumb beyond reason.......check

oh and lots of guns.......double check

I won't even mention indirect racist comments.

progress Laz means going forward, not backwards.

[FUNKED1]

Which data in which database?  You lost me.  Are you talking about the voting terminals?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Yeah, the votes input at each terminal. Each terminal has their own database to store the votes right? Maybe they had a central location, but I didn't notice any wires running to anything other than the power outlet.
-SW

[Nilsen]

Hey SLO, thats taking it abit far isnt it?

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by SLO
you guys should know by now that Laz is the quint essential 'REDNECK' persona on this here board.....

big bellybutton truck that consumes alot of gas......check

dumb beyond reason.......check

oh and lots of guns.......double check

I won't even mention indirect racist comments.

progress Laz means going forward, not backwards.

Nice personal attacks.  Not that I expected any more from a lobotomized frog.

Allow me to retort.

America...
America...
America, **** YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother ****ing day yeah,
America, **** YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer to,
America, **** YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, **** YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

**** YEAH!

McDonalds, **** YEAH!
Wal-Mart, **** YEAH!
The Gap, **** YEAH!
Baseball, **** YEAH!
NFL, ****, YEAH!
Rock and roll, **** YEAH!
The Internet, **** YEAH!
Slavery, **** YEAH!

**** YEAH!

Starbucks, **** YEAH!
Disney world, **** YEAH!
Porno, **** YEAH!
Valium, **** YEAH!
Reeboks, **** YEAH!
Fake Tits, **** YEAH!
Sushi, **** YEAH!
Taco Bell, **** YEAH!
Rodeos, **** YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (**** yeah, **** yeah)

Liberty, **** YEAH!
White Slips, **** YEAH!
The Alamo, **** YEAH!
Band-aids, **** YEAH!
Las Vegas, **** YEAH!
Christmas, **** YEAH!
Immigrants, **** YEAH!
Popeye, **** YEAH!
Demcrats, **** YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(**** yeah, **** yeah)

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by SLO
you guys should know by now that Laz is the quint essential 'REDNECK' persona on this here board.....

big bellybutton truck that consumes alot of gas......check

dumb beyond reason.......check

oh and lots of guns.......double check

I won't even mention indirect racist comments.

progress Laz means going forward, not backwards.

WE HAVE IT!!!

The first  AMERISTALKER  to loose it after Kerry lost it!

Calm down bud, and step away from the micheal moore DVDs...

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Chuga chuga chuga chuga chuga chuga choo choo chuga chuga chuga chuga choo BANG! crashboomouchpainsmashkablamm oetc

Derailed.
-SW