Is that terrorist bellybutton Arafat dead?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by cpxxx
There is still quite a lot of controversy as to who or what sank the USS Maine. But the war was inevitable anyway at that point. Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident it was just a spark to start the explosion.

You have an interesting version of the Palestinian question.   I'm sure the Palestinians will be disappointed to hear they don't exist.

The Palestinians are not a race, they are just plane old Arabs. Arabs exist all over the regeon. Arafat is an Egyption......why does he need a homeland? His homeland is Egypt.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian. There has never been a country of "Palestine"

Only Isreal has ever had a nation in that area. Israel and the Jews have a legitimate claim to the area, Arafat does not.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by NUKE
The 2003 Iraq war was a continuation of the orginal Iraq war. Iraq was in violation of the cease fire agreements.

The Civil war?

Spanish American war? The Spanish sank a US ship in Havanna. Why were the Spanish in Cuba again?

Bush started the 2003 war.  It was a pre-emptive war and I support it but we sure as hell started it - which is OK.  But I guess you are saying he will go to hell.

The Civil war?  Why no smart answer Nuke? Why just the dodge? Lincoln started the civil war by refusing to let the south secede. Or maybe the southerners started the war by wanting to secede. Hmm...

The revolutionary war? Did the US colonists start it by wanting independance? Or did the brits by opposing it. Wait a second thats kinda like the US civil war..

The spanish american war?  The spanish sure as hell did not blow up the maine.  Reseachs has showed that its coal bunkers blew up accidentaly.  Guess that means president mckinley is going to hell...

What do you say about why the spanish were in cuba?  Are you suggesting they started the war with the US because spain was the mean ole colonial opressor of the cuban people? Thats ridiculous and reaching...  But OK, Lets go that way.  Then one could say that the USA was responsible for the colinial war in the phillipines after we took over the colinial opressor role there from Spain... Or are you now aginst the argument of evil colonial opressors?

What about Grenada? Reagan going to hell?

What about Panama? Is Bush 1 going to hell?

And dont give me any crap that either Grenada or Panama "started" the war. Sure they did things we didnt like but we chose to start those full out wars against those nations!


The USA has started a whole bunch of wars, which is OK, wars are neccesary even useful and right  sometimes, but that just means that your argument is crap..

Finally lets say we pre-emptivly invade Syria next year. Will Bush go to hell then or will you come up with another weak excuse to support your even weaker argument?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by NUKE
The Palestinians are not a race, they are just plane old Arabs. Arabs exist all over the regeon. Arafat is an Egyption......why does he need a homeland? His homeland is Egypt.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian. There has never been a country of "Palestine"

Only Isreal has ever had a nation in that area. Israel and the Jews have a legitimate claim to the area, Arafat does not.

You are unbelivably ignorant.

Its amazing how Nuke thinks that area was all ewmpty uninhabited desert from the time of the old roman empire until 1947 when the UN created isreal...

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Bush started the 2003 war.  It was a pre-emptive war and I support it but we sure as hell started it - which is OK.  But I guess you are saying he will go to hell.

The Civil war?  Why no smart answer Nuke? Why just the dodge? Lincoln started the civil war by refusing to let the south secede. Or maybe the southerners started the war by wanting to secede. Hmm...

The revolutionary war? Did the US colonists start it by wanting independance? Or did the brits by opposing it. Wait a second thats kinda like the US civil war..

The spanish american war?  The spanish sure as hell did not blow up the maine.  Reseachs has showed that its coal bunkers blew up accidentaly.  Guess that means president mckinley is going to hell...

What do you say about why the spanish were in cuba?  Are you suggesting they started the war with the US because spain was the mean ole colonial opressor of the cuban people? Thats ridiculous and reaching...  But OK, Lets go that way.  Then one could say that the USA was responsible for the colinial war in the phillipines after we took over the colinial opressor role there from Spain... Or are you now aginst the argument of evil colonial opressors?

What about Grenada? Reagan going to hell?

What about Panama? Is Bush 1 going to hell?

And dont give me any crap that either Grenada or Panama "started" the war. Sure they did things we didnt like but we chose to start those full out wars against those nations!


The USA has started a whole bunch of wars, which is OK, wars are neccesary even useful and right  sometimes, but that just means that your argument is crap..

Finally lets say we pre-emptivly invade Syria next year. Will Bush go to hell then or will you come up with another weak excuse to support your even weaker argument?

The civil war? The South started it.

Grenada was a war? Panama was a war?

Anyone who starts a war should go to hell.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You are unbelivably ignorant.

Its amazing how Nuke thinks that area was all ewmpty uninhabited desert from the time of the old roman empire until 1947 when the UN created isreal...

Hey Bozo, I never said I thought the area was unihabited.

I said that Palestinians are not a race and that Israel was the only nation in history that ever was established there.

[GRUNHERZ]

You dont think invading two soverign nations is starting a war??

Thats just crazy...

So yoiu say the south started the war? If the south started the civil war, their war of independance, and its leaders then went to hell then surely you must say that the leaders of the American revolution started their war and thus also went to hell..  Because if you dont say that even yiu have to admit yoiur argument is BS...

So NUKE are this nations founding fathers in hell?

[NUKE]

Hey Grun, where do you think the Jews came from? Israel maybe?

Maybe you advocate that the Jews have never had a homeland and just popped into existance in Arab lands from thin air?

The UN created Israel? I never saw a word about the UN in the bible, but hell....it's a really old book based on fiction.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You dont think invading two soverign nations is starting a war??

We invaded Germany and Japan, among others in WWII, yet did we start the war?

You big dummy.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by NUKE
Hey Grun, where do you think the Jews came from? Israel maybe?

Maybe you advocate that the Jews have never had a homeland and just popped into existance in Arab lands from thin air?

The UN created Israel? I never saw a word about the UN in the bible, but hell....it's a really old book based on fiction.

Jews and arabs are the same race - you may know the term - Semites.
 
Yet most modern jews are ethinic europeans.

Ahh the bible.. The bible is neat.  Who really ruled Israel in the new testament? Oh, it was ruled by italians and was a part of Italy...  I guess the italians can claim a state there too...

Plus all that was 2,000 years ago. In the intervening years that area was a part of many nations and empires and the same people lived there, arabs.  

Where do you live NUKE? Arizona?

Maybe yoiu should pack up and move your arse back to France because I bet some other people lived in arizona 2000 years ago - they prolly had a nation there too and of course they reallly own it. Thiat claim superceded all others and all reason.

The palestenians are there.   And very soon there will be many more palestenians than "jews." They have more kids lots more kids on average..  At that point Israel will have 4 choices.

1) Continue as is, with no real solution and endless deaths
2) Accept Palestenians as full voting Israeli citizens and the majority polulation  (bye bye jewish state)
3) A seperate Palerstenian state
4) One Israeli state where palestenians dont have equal voting and civil rights (basically israel becomes 1930s nazi germany)

Neato! Give them a seperate state.

[GRUNHERZ]

Nuke you are unbelivaly stupid.

The USA started the Grenada and Panama wars. We decidec to attack and take those countries because they were doing something we did not like. we invaded, we started those wars to protect our national interst.

Suggesting othersise is like saying that thev soviet union did not start the afghan war when they invaded to protect their national intersts.

[NUKE]

Grun, you are being a dumb arse.

Israel nation documented thousands of years ago. They deserve thier land.

Arafat is a plain old Arab from Egypt and "Palestinians" nor "Palestine" ever existed in history.

Grun, why are you anti Israel?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nuke you are unbelivaly stupid.

The USA started the Grenada and Panama wars. We decidec to attack and take those countries because they were doing something we did not like. we invaded, we started those wars to protect our national interst.

Suggesting othersise is like saying that thev soviet union did not start the afghan war when they invaded to protect their national intersts.

Hey moron, Grenada and Panama were not wars.

[GRUNHERZ]

What on earth do you call attacking, invading, occupying, taking over and replacing the goverment of another state by the use of military force but war.

What were they not big enough to classifly as a real manly man war to you?  How big of a country do we need to invade for it to be a war?

You are trully retarded abd ignorant nuke.  You made an ignorant statement and now you have to make more and more ignoranmt statements to support it...

And answer the damn question is george washington and the other founding farhers in hell for staring the revolutinary civil war against england? Because the civil war and the revolutinary war are NO different expet fpor the outcome, not one bit. In both cases a population feely decided to break away from a central goverment they felt was not meeting their needs and rights adequetly and revolted.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And answer the damn question is george washington and the other founding farhers in hell for staring the revolutinary civil war against england?

dont freak out imigrant.

Washington started the war? America simply declared independence, Britain decided to go to war.

[GRUNHERZ]

He and the other founding fathers definitely stated the war.  Without thaeir ideological and military leadership the revolution would not have happened as it did or would have likely peterd out to nothing -meaning no war.

You conifently say "The South" started the civil war.  As such the americans started the revolutinary war and their leaders of the time must surely be in hell by your idiotic standard...

Or maybe you want to blame that guy at concord who fired the fist shot.. Was he a brit or an american... Is he in hell?

And dont even start this immigrant crap, I'm just as american as you and had the same primary american schooling as you did and probaly from abettrer school. That kind of ridiculkous cheap shot just means you are getting desperate....