Coulter-ese

[Ripsnort]

You go Girl!

By Ann Coulter
November 4, 2004
I guess John Kerry went into the primary without a plan to win the election.

The Democrats threw everything they had at this election. They ran a phony Vietnam War hero and a phony Southerner. They had middle-aged women executives at MTV hawking "Rock the Vote" to entice the most uninformed young people to vote for Kerry. They had Bruce Springsteen, Dave Matthews and New York Times darling Eminem. They had documentaries, books, the universities, Hollywood (and the French!) on their side.

They had liberal thugs ransacking Bush-Cheney headquarters, stealing Bush-Cheney signs and slashing the tires of Bush-Cheney get-out-the-vote vans on Election Day. In Colorado, they traded voter registrations for crack cocaine. In Ohio, they registered Mary Poppins and Dick Tracy. In South Carolina, Emily's List called Republican households and gave them incorrect information about the location of polling places.

The media campaigned heavily for Kerry with endless Abu Ghraib coverage, phony National Guard documents and, days before the election, false news reports that hundreds of tons of munitions had been looted in Iraq.
 
The Democrats' cheating never stopped. The big story of this election is the fraudulent exit polls on Election Day. Strange as it seems to me, it is well acknowledged that people are more likely to come out and vote for a winner. Early exit polls showing Kerry the clear winner could be expected to depress the vote for Bush.
Stunningly inaccurate exit polls released around noon on Election Day convinced news anchors, talking heads and even the campaigns that Kerry would win walking away. But at 9 p.m., when the first actual results began to come in, the election flipped to Bush. It was the first Kerry flip-flop that actually served the national interest.
 
The exit polls were absurd: They showed Kerry winning Pennsylvania by 20 points and Bush tied with Kerry in Mississippi. Only monkey business can explain the wildly pro-Kerry exit polls – admittedly hard to believe with a party that has behaved so honorably throughout this campaign. Michael Barone speculates that the sites of exit polling were leaked to the Democrats, and Democrats sent large numbers of voters to those polls to take exit polls and throw the results.

But for all their chicanery, vote-stealing, Hollywood starlets, fake polls and faux patriotism, the Democrats were wiped out on Election Day.

Bush won the largest popular vote in history with a 3.5 million margin. Indeed, simply by getting a majority of the country to vote for him – the left's most hated politician since Richard Nixon – Bush did something "rock star" Bill Clinton never did. Bush maintained or increased his vote in every state but Vermont. Republicans picked up seats in the House and Senate, and continue to dominate state governorships. Also making history of a sort, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle lost his election, marking the first time in half a century a Senate leader has been defeated.

To Michael Moore, George Soros, Terry McAuliffe, Dan Rather, Al Franken and the whole gang at Air America Radio – you were great, guys! Thanks for the help! We couldn't have done it without you!

Of course, we could have done it a lot earlier on election night but for "Boy Genius" Karl Rove. It's absurd that the election was as close as it was. The nation is at war, Bush is a magnificent wartime leader, and the night before the election we didn't know if a liberal tax-and-spend, Vietnam War-protesting senator from Massachusetts would beat him.

If Rove is "the architect" – as Bush called him in his acceptance speech – then he is the architect of high TV ratings, not a Republican victory. By keeping the race so tight, Rove ensured that a race that should have been a runaway Bush victory would not be over until the wee hours of the morning.

As we now know, the most important issue to voters was not terrorism, but moral values. Marriage amendments won by lopsided majorities in all 11 states where they were on the ballot. Even in Oregon, the state targeted by gay marriage advocates as their best shot of defeating a marriage amendment, the amendment passed by 57 percent – a figure noticeable for being larger than the percentage of votes cast for Bush in Oregon. In the great state of Mississippi, the marriage amendment passed with 88 percent of the vote.

Seventy percent to 80 percent of Americans oppose gay marriage and partial-birth abortion. Far from appealing exclusively to a narrow Republican base, opposition to gay marriage is strongest among the Democratic base: blacks, Hispanics, blue-collar workers and the elderly. There were marriage amendments on the ballot in Michigan and Ohio. Bush won Ohio narrowly and lost Michigan by only 2 points. How different might that have been if Bush hadn't run from the issue.

But Rove concluded Bush should stay mum on gay marriage and partial-birth abortion – contravening the politicians' rule of thumb: Talk about your positions that are wildly popular with voters. "Boy Genius" Rove decided Bush shouldn't even run radio ads on gay marriage, and at the last minute, Bush started claiming he was in favor of civil unions, just like John Kerry.
Amazingly, it was the Democrats – the ones who support gay marriage – who used the gay issue for political advantage, most famously when Kerry gay-baited Mary Cheney during the third debate.

The one toss-up Senate seat lost by the Republicans was Pete Coors in Colorado, where the Democrats did not hesitate to run commercials of a bacchanalian gay festival in Canada sponsored by Coors Brewing Co. The most narrow Republican win in a toss-up Senate race was in Alaska, where the Republican candidate was another "progressive" on the social issues.

When contemplating a former New York mayor as their next presidential candidate, Republicans should remember: This election should have been over sometime in August, not 1 a.m. election night.
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15805

[Karnak]

I really can't understand how somebody can condemn Michael Moore on one hand and praise Ann Coulter on the other.

They are opposite sides of the same coin.

Lies and hate are lies and hate regardless of who says them or who they are said about.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Yes, but she goose steps better.
-SW

[Lizking]

Plus, she dodges pies instead of gobbling them down like sweetarts.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Lizking
Plus, she dodges pies instead of gobbling them down like sweetarts.

[slimm50]

Originally posted by Karnak
I really can't understand how somebody can condemn Michael Moore on one hand and praise Ann Coulter on the other.

They are opposite sides of the same coin.

Lies and hate are lies and hate regardless of who says them or who they are said about.

Awww...c'mon. put their pic side by side, then tell me which one you'd boink.

Seriously, though, she just tells it like it is, whereas Moore tells it like he wishes it was. He's filled with hate, she with righteous indignation.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by slimm50
Awww...c'mon. put their pic side by side, then tell me which one you'd boink.

Ewwww.

1) I'm not gay.

1a) If I were I'm guessing Michael Moore would still be repulsive.

2) Ann Coulter is not at all attractive to me, even discounting her desire to have me shot.

[lazs2]

karnak... you really can't see the difference between coulter and moore?

coulter doesn't drive voters away...  she is  ded right on the following...

"To Michael Moore, George Soros, Terry McAuliffe, Dan Rather, Al Franken and the whole gang at Air America Radio – you were great, guys! Thanks for the help! We couldn't have done it without you! "

you can't pretend that these people are helping your party and wink and nod at their behaviour.    People really do see who is backing them.

lazs

[Karnak]

Originally posted by lazs2
karnak... you really can't see the difference between coulter and moore?

coulter doesn't drive voters away...  she is  ded right on the following...

"To Michael Moore, George Soros, Terry McAuliffe, Dan Rather, Al Franken and the whole gang at Air America Radio – you were great, guys! Thanks for the help! We couldn't have done it without you! "

you can't pretend that these people are helping your party and wink and nod at their behaviour.    People really do see who is backing them.

lazs

That's like claiming Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage drive people voters away.

Both sides extremists do so to some moderates and lots of Conservatives/Liberals.

I could no more concieve of voting for a party that thinks the likes of Coulter is reasonable than you could of a party that thinks the likes of Moore is reasonable.  She drove me away and he drove you away equally.

I think you're letting your bias get in the way of honestly looking at what she says and how she says it.


There are certainly reasons why the Dems lost this election, but those you listed had very little to do with it.  A much bigger factor, I think, was the reaction of Evangelical Christians to the gay marriage issue that really motivated them to get out and vote. Three million more of them voted in this election than in the last and they voted overwhelming for Bush.

There are some interesting exit polls showing the tremendous divergence in the concerns of Kerry voters and Bush voters.  The radical spigots of vileness on both sides have more effect in motivating their respective extremes than in influencing anybody on the other side, though I grant you that Michael Moore may have managed to cross that line to a limited degree.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Karnak
way of honestly looking at what she says and how she says it.


There are certainly reasons why the Dems lost this election, but those you listed had very little to do with it.  A much bigger factor, I think, was the reaction of Evangelical Christians to the gay marriage issue that really motivated them to get out and vote. Three million more of them voted in this election than in the last and they voted overwhelming for Bush.

Reading is FUNdumbental!

Coulter said:"As we now know, the most important issue to voters was not terrorism, but moral values. Marriage amendments won by lopsided majorities in all 11 states where they were on the ballot. Even in Oregon, the state targeted by gay marriage advocates as their best shot of defeating a marriage amendment, the amendment passed by 57 percent – a figure noticeable for being larger than the percentage of votes cast for Bush in Oregon. In the great state of Mississippi, the marriage amendment passed with 88 percent of the vote."

[Karnak]

Ripsnort,

That was only true by a small margin.  That is what I was trying to point out.  There was a marked devide on the issues that were important to the respective voters, and the totals were pretty narrow so you cannot accurately say that the most important issue to voters was moral issues, not terrorism (which by the way was the number two concern of Bush voters and way down the list for Kerry voters) without qualifying the statement with something like "a narrow majority".  Without that qualification the statement is misleading, which is exactly the kind of rhetoric that people like Coulter and Moore specialize in.

You can take any one of these people from either side and find examples of outright lies, intentional distortions, critical omissions and blunt truths.  But they always present issues as though they are bluntly simple and binary with obvious solutions.


An example of how divisive Coulter is would be her calling all Liberals traitors and suggesting they should be shot.  That is at the very least as hostile as anything Moore has said.

I condemn both of them, and all such rhetoric spewing extremists.

[lazs2]

karnak... you miss the point... no offence but...

We know we can't have your vote.   It is not worth catering to.   The far lefties hurt the democrats far more than the right wingers hurt the republicans.  

moore gave Florida to Bush.

lazs

[Mini D]

So, now you concede that she didn't miss the point... only exagerated it?

She hit the nail right on the head with this:

Seventy percent to 80 percent of Americans oppose gay marriage and partial-birth abortion. Far from appealing exclusively to a narrow Republican base, opposition to gay marriage is strongest among the Democratic base: blacks, Hispanics, blue-collar workers and the elderly. There were marriage amendments on the ballot in Michigan and Ohio. Bush won Ohio narrowly and lost Michigan by only 2 points. How different might that have been if Bush hadn't run from the issue.

This isn't an exageration.  I know many dems that voted republican this year for exactly the same reason.  The democratic party has lost touch with a large portion of democratic voters.  They showed that this year more than anything else.

[Mini D]

PS... I do think she missed on the "how different would it have been if bush hadn't run from the issue..." part.  But the fact that the Dems managed to alienate their own voters on these subjects is undeniable.

[Karnak]

lazs,

I'm really not sure either side's extremists really hurt them.  It is more a matter of how much they help motivate their respective bases.

Take the quip about Air America radio.  The majority of Americans can't even get that, so to claim that it is off putting is kinda a reach.  Sure, it's offensive to dedicated right wingers, but then any center or left wing statement is going to raise their hackles.

I do agree that Moore managed to actually motivate the opposing base as well as the left base, but that is unusal for these people.