Dinosaurs & Man?

[Vudak]

Well, we've all heard some talk about the Evangelical Vote...  Or "Value Voters"...  Well, I went to a "Christian Answers" site linked from Bob Graham's website and found some things that really perturbed me.

All I've got to say is that it is a very  scary world to live in, where our Nation's leader can be delivered through the votes of people who still believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago, and dinosaurs and people lived together!!!

 Laugh, Cry, Ponder?

I mean come on people! Haven't you ever taken the trash out? How did those waffles you bought on Wednesday get above the Monday newspaper...  Hmmmmm...

Although I must say it's a cute little picture of a perfectly white Adam puckering up to some sort of dinosaur...

Faith's a good thing and I respect those who have it...  But lately, I wonder, is some people's faith blinding them?  Is some people's faith leading them away from the message?  Call me an elitist CT snob if you will, but I've always been brought up to believe Jesus preached love, not bigotry...  And I've also been brought up to believe that anything that's been in man's hands for long will be tainted.  

I find it very difficult to believe that the Christian Faith has evolved to what Christ envisioned.  I daresay the very fact that there are so many denominations is hard evidence that it , in fact, has not.

Edit: I changed the title of this because it was obviously a very poor choice to entitle it "what's really sad about this election"

[crowMAW]

You don't need facts if you have faith.

[TheDudeDVant]

Nice post..

Yea, it has become very strange to me how the god fearing jesus loving bible thumping christian could be so down with persecution..

All I'm thinking is I have to get outta my state.. lol Only here in this state could a govenor be elected on a state lottery funding education platform and then upon being elected have the church crowd come out and vote down the lottery..  !amazed

Oh, and lets not forget about judge roy moore.. lol  what a god fearing moron..

I just wanna say thanks for these self rightous people attempting to save me from myself.. You wanna talk elitist, these people should be the definition..

[ra]

So long as you libs keep believing that you lose at the ballot box because of a bunch of backwater snake handlers you're going to keep sliding into insignificance.  Every election you libs try to convince each other that it's the flat earth people who are keeping your 133t politicians out of office.  Keep up the good work.

[lazs2]

hmm..  I know a lot of people who voted for Bush who aren't religious in the least...  They just weren't black or old maids.

lazs

[Vudak]

Lazs & Ra:

Sorry if this came off as a Bush Bash.  I was actually trying to start a religious discussion.  

But don't call me a liberal.  Or a conservative.  I'm a moderate, and agree with both of you on some things, just not on others.

So anyway, back to the religious discussion.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by crowMAW
You don't need facts if you have faith.

That's a rather dangerous approach IMO...  A lot of people have had "faith" in things before that well, didn't pan out so well...

Hitler and Waco come to mind...

I think facts are usefull, and at the very least debate should be encouraged.  

I just cannot understand how people can say that man and dinosaur lived side by side.  I just cannot fathom it.  And many such people will get so bitterly angry when called on it! That's foaming at the mouth religion if you ask me.

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by ra
So long as you libs keep believing that you lose at the ballot box because of a bunch of backwater snake handlers you're going to keep sliding into insignificance.  Every election you libs try to convince each other that it's the flat earth people who are keeping your 133t politicians out of office.  Keep up the good work.

what are you talking about?? I guess you just like tossing the 'lib' word about?? this post make you feel stronger or better?? cuase it's clueless with the rest of the thread....

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by Vudak
That's a rather dangerous approach IMO...  A lot of people have had "faith" in things before that well, didn't pan out so well...

Hitler and Waco come to mind...

I think facts are usefull, and at the very least debate should be encouraged.  

I just cannot understand how people can say that man and dinosaur lived side by side.  I just cannot fathom it.  And many such people will get so bitterly angry when called on it! That's foaming at the mouth religion if you ask me.

I dont think he was being serious Vudak..

[lazs2]

well vudak you will have to be more specific... I can't really hate em because they are religious... is there some other reason I should marginalize their vote?

lazs

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by lazs2
hmm..  I know a lot of people who voted for Bush who aren't religious in the least...  They just weren't black or old maids.

lazs

I work with two blacks that both voted republican, and are not religious.

[DREDIOCK]

Odd,
I know tons of bible thumpers and "Born again/saved"
Types who dont believe the earth was created 6,000 ago or the Dinosaurs and humans lived together.

Just as an outside observation (I consider myself a moderate. with no party affiliation)
What the far left doesnt seem to get is the rest of the country and yes starting with the far right but including those in the middle does not want this liberal acceptance of everyone and everything Such as gay marriage, as an example crammed down their throats.

They are sick and tired of political correctness and having to constantly worry about what they do or say or believe out of worry over "offending someone"
(on that point I am in whole agreement)
 They are sick of the Liberals ideas and telling them how to raise and/dicipline their kids.
and a host of other things that are not considered to be "politically correct"
how to dress
They dont want to be told that God should be taken out of the pledge or that courthouses cant have the ten commandments on State property

they are sick of what they see on regular noncable TV and see continued lack of restraint in the media itself in a race for the all important ratings

The country for better or worse is unquestionably shifting back towards more traditional values and religion.
  The problem is the Democrats havent shifted with the rest of the country.
  Its like they were leading everyone in a marathon and running and running and running and for a while everyone was following. Then somewhere along the line the rest of the country took a right fork in the road and the Democrats kept running without looking back, thinking everyone was still following behind.
Now they look behind them and only see their core followers running with them and everyone else is gone.
  Now they are sitting there scratching their heads trying to figure out what happened

I heard a Democrat put it best on CNN yesterday when she said.
"what we need to realize is that we have been talking to ourselves and everyone else doesn't give a damn what we think anymore"

[Vudak]

Originally posted by lazs2
well vudak you will have to be more specific... I can't really hate em because they are religious... is there some other reason I should marginalize their vote?

lazs

Well when people vote based on moral values, I'd just like to hope that, despite whatever their opinions on moral values are, they at least have some semblance of a grasp on reality. I guess I'm trying to say this, in a nutshell:

It is my hope, that people come up with their own opinions on moral values.  I think it would be a mistake, to accept their preacher's ideas as Undeniably correct.  One glance at this website, by reasonable people or any creed, should show, that such preacher's ideas, are not undeniably correct at all.  In fact, they are tragically mistaken.

Yet I'm not asking that their votes be marginalized, not at all.  In fact, this isn't even really an election thread, despite the post title topic.

What I am saying, is that there is a group of highly religious people in this country, who do go out and exercise their Right to vote, yet are very much living in a fantasy world.  I just found this website interesting.

But who said to hate someone because they're religious anyway?  

Dude: he may not have been serious, but the point he raised is one that many people who are completely serious raise.  So my reply is meant more for them.

[lazs2]

would it be better to vote based on a movie/phony documentary or.... a rock concert?   maybe the word of sean penn or barbara stiesand?   Are you very much more comfortable with those voters?

maybe sharpton has the answer or the naacp?    Vote based on a flier your union sends out?

Is there some guidline that you find particularly useful.... None of us want to be "sad".

lazs

[Vudak]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Odd,
I know tons of bible thumpers and "Born again/saved"
Types who dont believe the earth was created 6,000 ago or the Dinosaurs and humans lived together.

Forgive me if my attempt at wit generalizes.  

Still, on AOL (yes I KNOW AOL, lol), whenever there is a new archaelogical discovery that sparks a debate about evolution, the board is split fairly evenly...  More often than not, the side that claims Darwin's an idiot brings up God as their star witness...

But yes, Drediock, you are quite correct, extreme-left liberals really ought to stop crying about anything and everything, if there's any hope for a two-party nation for much longer.

Parents getting DCF called on them for spanking, attemps made at taking "God" out of the pledge & currency, and basically just "political correctness" in general are not helping our country whatsoever.