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Offline Vudak

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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2004, 09:06:00 AM »
Liberals....  Conservatives...  Neither really does much good when you think about it.

I'd like to see a Senate Split like this:

Total:                      50/50
Conservatives:       20
Liberals:                 20
Moderate GOP:       30
Moderate Dems:     30

I think that might be a bit better way to go about things.  At least you'd hope with that many moderates things would be "fair".
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2004, 09:22:21 AM »
Tod... just curious..  if all the models showed that Bush would win by three points then why did allmost every poll show the lead changing back and forth with kerrie having a slight lead in the end and..  Why did no one predict the huge turnout?

would you say that turnout has nothing to do with the results?  neither side gains by high voter turnout?

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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2004, 09:24:46 AM »
shlotz... I believe that there was discussion about red and blue and that the democrats felt that it was stereotyping them to have to be the red color.   I believe that they would do even worse if it was obvious that they were reds.  Reasoning is that the republicans have no disadvantage by being a red color since no one would call them "commies".

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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2004, 09:32:43 AM »
When I grew up, republicans often wore red "power ties", so that might be part of it...
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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2004, 09:39:26 AM »
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
What is your distict problem(s) with Democrats?

Tweety throws down the gauntlet...the issues...not the rhetoric.

Where's the response?

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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2004, 09:58:13 AM »
crow.. I will take the bait.  I find all of the things that tweety mentions to be places where I part with the democrats.   the last item, one party politics is especially true.. I don't like their brand of it  for instance... who was it that sued to keep nader off the ballot in so many states?

basicly I don't agree with tweety or the democrats on much of anything.  

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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2004, 11:37:46 AM »
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the last item, one party politics is especially true.. I don't like their brand of it  for instance... who was it that sued to keep nader off the ballot in so many states?

Not much different that when the RNC tried to shut Perot out of the '92 and '96 elections.  

I'm more familiar with the case of Nader on the Florida ballot.  The law was clear and Nader should not have been on the ballot since he was not a member of the Reform Party or nominated by their convention.  The "liberal" Florida Supreme Court (as they were labled in the 2000 election) felt that voter choice was paramount...a position I agree with.

But interestingly, the Dems in Florida could have had Bush disqualified from appearing on the Florida ballot but decided not to pursue it.  The Bush campaign filed its candidacy papers with the Florida Department of State past the filing deadline.  Normally, that should mean disqualification. Personally I would have bet the RNC would not have been so generous if the situation had been reversed. So, I'm not sure how I see that Dems are for one party anymore than Reps.  Or how their brand of politicing is much different than the RNC's.

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I find all of the things that tweety mentions to be places where I part with the democrats.   basicly I don't agree with tweety or the democrats on much of anything.  

Lets not be general...specifically what do you disagree with and why.

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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2004, 11:58:19 AM »
pick one.

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2004, 02:00:18 PM »
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pick one.

Prayer in schools...

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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2004, 02:04:11 PM »
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Prayer in schools...


what about prayer in schools?

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« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2004, 02:13:36 PM »
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what about prayer in schools?

Laz said, "I find all of the things that tweety mentions to be places where I part with the democrats."  I asked him to be specific.  He asked me to pick one of the topics on Tweety's list.  I chose prayer in schools to start.

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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2004, 06:42:33 PM »
bump...

Still no comment on the issues?

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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2004, 07:19:00 PM »
It is amazing how quiet it gets when the issues get specific.

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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2004, 07:31:30 PM »
"Whatever is said, the same monotonous noise replies, and quivers up and down the walls until it is absorbed into the roof. "Boum" is the sound as far as the human alphabet can express it, or "bou-oum," or "ou-boum," — utterly dull. Hope, politeness, the blowing of a nose, the squeak of a boot, all produce "boum." Even the striking of a match starts a little worm coiling, which is too small to complete a circle but is eternally watchful. And if several people talk at once, an overlapping howling noise begins, echoes generate echoes, and the cave is stuffed with a snake composed of small snakes, which writhe independently.

The crush and the smells she could forget, but the echo began in some indescribable way to undermine her hold on life. Coming at a moment when she chanced to be fatigued, it had managed to murmur, "Pathos, piety, courage — they exist, but are identical, and so is filth. Everything exists, nothing has value." If one had spoken vileness in that place, or spoken lofty poetry, the comment would have been the same — "ou-boum."

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« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2004, 07:56:13 PM »
If we want prayer in school, why not send your kids to a religious school. There's a kazillion of them. If you want prayer in public school, be prepared to allow EVERY religion to have a prayer. Baptist, Pagan, Catholic, Jewish, Branch Davidian, Islamic, Buddist, Satanic, Islamic, Atheist (they can go take a coke break, I suppose) and every single religion on the face of this planet. Otherwise you just turned a public school into a religious school. If you want your children to have a biased education you must pay for the privilege. What you get with tax money is reading, writing and arithmetic .
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