"Values" vote fact or fiction?

[JB73]

Originally posted by rpm
What you get with tax money is reading, writing and arithmetic .

and evolution is right, religion is wrong.

[Nash]

Evolution is right.

And God is oh so very right.

But religion is wrong.

It is when we try to to explain God that we fail miserably.

Forcing our weak, human, explanations of it on others does us all a disservice.

None of it is right, and none of it is wrong.

We need to stay out of the picture, and let individuals experience it in their own way. Because it is only right when it is right for the individual.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by rpm
What you get with tax money is reading, writing and arithmetic .

In English or in Spanish?

[TweetyBird]

Fear not, JB. Evolution has stopped.

[Otto]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
Fear not, JB. Evolution has stopped.

Hehe, that's not a Homerun, but it's good Double, even if you had to dive into Second.

[Lizking]

The pitcher is getting called off the mound, too.  Looking ugly in Mudsville.

[crowMAW]

DERAILMENT!

We are not talking about evolution.  The topic is "prayer in schools".

Republicans:  What is the Democrat stance on prayer in schools that you disagree with and why.

(hint: it might help to start by stating what you think the DNC stance is on prayer in schools)

[Vudak]

Originally posted by crowMAW
DERAILMENT!

We are not talking about evolution.  The topic is "prayer in schools".

Republicans:  What is the Democrat stance on prayer in schools that you disagree with and why.

(hint: it might help to start by stating what you think the DNC stance is on prayer in schools)

Well...  At least in my town, there aren't any classes about religion allowed in public schools.  I think that is a great diservice in itself.  

Now, I'm not saying that kids should be forced to go to these classes, but surely having electives in high school for say Christianity, Judaeism (sorry for spelling butcher) and Islam might go a bit of a long way towards easing religious tension over the years?

I mean, why's it ok to learn about the Greek Gods but forbidden to learn of more widely worshiped ones of these times?

As for "prayer" in schools, I've never understood what's wrong with a simple moment of silence.  Well, actually, I do have one complaint:  At least in my school, it was too darn short (ten seconds or less on average).  You can't even say a Hail Mary in that time...  Much less relflect on anything.

[TweetyBird]

And what stopped your silent prayer after the 10 seconds was up? A teacher opening up a lesson? I think there were silent prayers during bombings, executions, stonings, burnings, linchings etc. What stopped your silent prayer? Please tell me what unearthly force stopped you from praying.

Lets take a wild leap in logic and say NOTHING can keep you from silently praying. You can do it as a doctor puts a mask over your face or a thug puts a knife to your throat or even when you come close to sexual temptation. NOTHING can stop you from slilently praying. Lets take another wild leap in logic. Perhaps you aren't really pissed about the state preventing you from praying, but pissed that the state isn't telling you WHEN to pray.

When did it become the states job to tell you WHEN to pray? Is that not your responsibility, or perhaps your parents' or pastor's?
Why should the state tell you when to pray?

Is HTC in error because they don't start each reset with a prayer or a slient moment for prayer? Is it Chrystler's error for not starting every commercial with a moment of slilent prayer? Do you need companies and businesses telling you when to pray? Why should you need the state telling you?  Is it their responsibility or YOURS?

[Nash]

There were two main churches in my city while I was growing up. I don't know what domination or sect or whatever they were, but they were the two big ones.

They both had houses attached to them, where families lived. And those families had a daughter a piece. Kate in one, and Ann-Marie in another.

I lost my virginity to Ann-Marie, and on my 16th bithday Kate gave me a blow job.

Looking back at it, I'm not sure what that tells me. But I'm convinced of something now.

God cannot be taught. And if it is taught, it cannot be learned.

I don't know how to explain my reaction to a certain group of people who wants desperately to think that  they own the ground on this. On this here BBS I see constantly the words used by those who profess to know God. And it is some of the most handsomehunk, hateful, ignorant b*llsh*t evar.

It is not God. It is ugly.

But yet, appearently, they own it. A moral majority. A moral authority.They signed the lease on their version of things, rolled the contract up, and want to whack the rest of us over the head with it.

But they never bothered to read the fine print.

God is love.

I can no more teach you or anyone else what love is than any gifted teacher alive can. You have to know it for yourselves. You cannot mandate a 15-minute time out during class in order that kids come to learn love. That would be impossible.

Issiah Joseph 2:12 passage 17 article twenty-three section seven will not give you any answers. It will not give you any answers. So I don't want someone telling kids that it will. Because it won't. That would be a lie.

At the very most, it will have the effect of manifesting itself in a troubling behavior that plays itself out daily on this BBS.

That is....

From those who claim to know God, but hate you.

No... Uhn-uh... no way.

I aint buying. Because you've got it all messed up.

You gonna tell me how to know God? Screw that noise. As if.

Meanwhile.... what's that other noise I just heard? You better check on yer daughter, cuz I thought I just heard the downstairs window sliding open.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
And what stopped your silent prayer after the 10 seconds was up? A teacher opening up a lesson? I think there were silent prayers during bombings, executions, stonings, burnings, linchings etc. What stopped your silent prayer? Please tell me what unearthly force stopped you from praying.

Lets take a wild leap in logic and say NOTHING can keep you from silently praying. You can do it as a doctor puts a mask over your face or a thug puts a knife to your throat. Neither can stop you from slilently praying. Lets take another wild leap in logic. Perhaps you aren't really pissed about the state preventing you from praying, but pissed that the state isn't telling you WHEN to pray.

Yes...  You're quite correct, though I think you're being a bit over-the-top as I'm not one of the very radical members others may have been fishing for.

However, I think most reasonable people could agree that perhaps 10 seconds is a bit short for any sort of moment of silence.  It's supposed to be a time where people can relfect on anything or nothing that they like.  A time when you can choose to pray, or choose to think about what you're having for lunch.  

All I'm saying is that maybe 20-30 seconds would be more appropriate as there are some people (not saying i'm one of them, I fell in the lunch category 9 outta 10) who might like to actually have time to say a simple prayer, or gather a thought, or anything, before it's time to hit the books, and, really, 10 seconds, well it just isn't gonna cut it.  (Not asking for an hour either, or even a full minute, just more then the smallest definition of "moment")

And although you are correct that nothing could stop you from doing this even if the teacher did start rambling, some people would like to hear that rambling.  You never know, it might be important.

And, for the record, I never once claimed to be pissed.  Actually, I really don't get why you decided to type that last sentence.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by TweetyBird


When did it become the states job to tell you WHEN to pray? Is that not your responsibility, or perhaps your parents' or pastor's?
Why should the state tell you when to pray?

Is HTC in error because they don't start each reset with a prayer or a slient moment for prayer? Is it their responsibility or YOURS?

Wow.

[Nash]

Wow what?

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Nash
Wow what?

I was just wondering how on earth he came up with that response to my post.  I don't think I indicated any such thing, please see above.

Now if he wasn't responding to me, my apologies.  However, as he mentioned the "10 second thing" that I brought up, I think you can appreciate why I might think he was.

[TweetyBird]

Sorry man - still ranting and editing

But you get the point. Its smoke and mirrors. No one can stop anyone from praying, and the religious zealots claiming that is happening are conning people.

Edit (yet again) so it isn't aimed specificaly at your post but the whole prayer in schools non-issue.