Author Topic: Gunslinger's wife needs some help (Read 1116 times)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2004, 02:30:19 PM »

It should be a standing rule that if any bar patron or employee witnesses management touching the tip jar, all patrons and non-management employees shall commence a beat-down of the culprit.

Flit · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2004, 02:41:13 PM »

if theres a "regular crowd" , tell them about it, I bet they would take care of the owner in short order.

GreenCloud · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2004, 02:53:33 PM »

ya..gun..the IRS thing is bad..they defnlty can ..and I have seen them audit the servers -bartenders..make sure thats all in order first..

wow..an owner takes the tip jars........

Maybe just get all the bartenders to agree..that the next nigth they work..You say..NO..you are not taking OUR tips..we will count OUR money.

Be ready to be fired..but you have got to stand up....

Yes the next step after it gets ugly would be the Labor Board..defnlty fiel a complaint...

This is crazy ...very wrong
We pool our money between the 3 bartenders and 3 bar backs all the time...and heeeelll no ..boss doesnt get crap..except the 9k worth of liquor we sold for the dike

Love
BiGB
xoxo

Gunslinger · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2004, 04:35:52 PM »

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Originally posted by GreenCloud

This is crazy ...very wrong
We pool our money between the 3 bartenders and 3 bar backs all the time...and heeeelll no ..boss doesnt get crap..except the 9k worth of liquor we sold for the dike

Love
BiGB
xoxo

Yup that was my thinking. The owner gets the profit from the sales. He doesn't have any right to pad it with his workers tips. To me this is no different than an employee snagging money out of the register.

I was thinking of calling a cop friend of mine and have him sit at the bar. When he sees the owner take money out and put it in the register tell the bartender to z out and total up his drawer. whatever amount that is over what it supposed to be arrest the owner on the spot for theft.

Thanks again for all the ideas. Don't think the beat down Idea is gonna work though

EDIT: From what I understand this bar is jamm packed and keeping an accurate runing total of tips would be futile at best. My guess is that they could go off just the credit card tips, that would be easier to keep track of. If the number at the end of the night is close to what the credit card tips were than you know something is wrong.

Leslie · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2004, 04:57:02 PM »

This has nothing to do with the matter at hand, but it's interesting as an example of a success story.

My girlfriend years back bought a car that was misrepresented by the dealer. The car had been wrecked before and repaired at a body shop, but was represented as in original condition, though used.

Turns out, it had been wrecked before, or in a flood and was a complete lemon and the VIN numbers didn't match up. She complained when the car didn't run (soon after buying it) and they told her it was sold "as is." To make a long story short, the ABI (Alabama Bureau of Investigation) became involved, and after nearly a five year battle, she got her money back and another car. She didn't go into details about it...it had all started before I even met her, and she got her car about the time I started dating her, so have no details. She was instructed to not talk about it, and I never asked.

But it's very interesting how that ended up, with the crooks getting theirs. I thought that showed a lot of character and guts for her to see that through. Who knows what kind of nefarious people do that all the time.

Les

Airhead · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2004, 07:57:37 PM »

I don't know how much threat the IRS would be- we've tried to get them involved with our campaign against commercial pot growers, and even if there was tens of thousands of dollars seized in a drug raid and the perp hasn't filed taxes for years the IRS is reluctant to get involved.

They've become a "kinder and gentler" IRS.

Leslie · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2004, 09:19:34 PM »

She was a pretty neat girl Airhead. She took me to a Police party (only one I've ever been to) at a FBI agent's house. One of the cops asked me what department I was in, and told him I wasn't in any department, I was just there to drink beer.

Couple seconds passed and a very astonished look on the face of the one who asked. Then everybody in the room, about 30 cops, bursted out laughing for a good while.

They were pretty cool. I helped 'em finish off the beer ball they had. Told 'em not to worry, I practiced on my regulation keg cooler all the time at home, and that the beer ball was nothing I couldn't handle.

Les

Curval · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2004, 09:30:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
I don't know how much threat the IRS would be- we've tried to get them involved with our campaign against commercial pot growers, and even if there was tens of thousands of dollars seized in a drug raid and the perp hasn't filed taxes for years the IRS is reluctant to get involved.

They've become a "kinder and gentler" IRS.

This is a worthy of a whole new thread.

You are pulling Al Capone style entrapment tactics as part of a campaign against a bunch of weed growers? Seriously?

I find it extremely hard to believe the IRS wouldn't be interested in unfiled tax returns, tax evasion on undeclared drug profits, back taxes owed on those profits, penalties, interest!!??

A kindler gentler IRS?

Should I take the hook out now?

Airhead · « **Reply #23 on:** November 07, 2004, 10:22:21 PM »

Assets are seized by law enforcement; what was discussed was using the IRS to try busted dope growers on tax evasion, but without seizable assets the IRS won't waste their recourses.

Curval · « **Reply #24 on:** November 08, 2004, 06:01:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
Assets are seized by law enforcement; what was discussed was using the IRS to try busted dope growers on tax evasion, but without seizable assets the IRS won't waste their recourses.

So basically you are on a campaign to use the IRS to try to bust a bunch of drug "lords" who, although break the law and make money illegally, do not have sizeable or seizable assets?

What are these "lords" spending their cash on? Munchies?

Goodness Airhead...I'm all for community action, but this sure sounds like a personal vendetta rather than any real community action.

Are the Columbian, Jamaican, Asian etc drug gangs too scary to go after or something? They are the ones filling the streets with heroin, coke, crack, meth, etc. They are also the ones with sizeable and seizable assets in real estate, cars, legitimate businesses used for washing their cash etc etc.

I'm sure you must be pulling my leg on this.

Airhead · « **Reply #25 on:** November 08, 2004, 10:19:04 AM »

We've been battling the commercial pot growers who live upstream from my patents' property for over twenty five years, off and on. I don't care if they grow dope or not, but we have a protected salmon spawning stream running through our property and there's so many pot growers illegally taking the water it's killing the fishery. About every two-three years we contact the DFG and the Sheriff's Dept. and we walk the stream, pulling out illegal water lines- once we pulled out 14 lines in an afternoon's walk.

We've had pot growers squat on our land, and when my Mom was walking once she happened upon a pot grower who threatened her and advised her not to visit that corner of the property until after harvest. They've hung fish hooks from trees hanging at eye level, poisoned the deer, dumped chemicals in the ground...and this is on OUR land. Finally we signed a waiver allowing the Sheriff to search our land cause that was the only way to get rid of them.

Dig this- bout twenty years ago I got stopped by two armed pot growers on my parents' driveway- on our property- demanding to know what my business was for being there. They looked kinda funny when I told them we owned the land, and even funnier when I told them the Sheriff did search and seizure sweeps every summer.

I don't even want to get into the crime aspect commercial growers bring with them into a community, and in my observations most commercial pot growers use crank, coke, whatever- nor the drain they cause on a Community, but suffice it to say these people are seasonal residents who squat on any remote parcel of land they can find, pollute, profit and leave.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #26 on:** November 08, 2004, 10:29:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval

What are these "lords" spending their cash on? Munchies?

like he said, law enforcement agencies have already seized their assets.

thanks to some really stupid laws, the agency that arrests someone can determine that their assets are from drug profit and keep their property or sell it and add the cash to their budgets. depending on the area and the rules they are operating under they often do this before the person ever gets a trial (since the law says your assets can be seized if you are arrested, not convicted)

you get things like corvettes given a coat of ugly paint and being used as cop cars. or they paint them up black, give them some stickers and use them for props in the 'DARE' program.

as I see it there are a few huge problems with these sort of laws.
1. it encourages cops to lie to get a conviction. loss of this money can leave them understaffed or under funded so some will find it worth lying to improve their safety, or in the case of assets that were disposed of before the trial they would be very motivated to make sure the guy was convicted to avoid the risk of these cash cows being canceled due to innocent people having their assets seized.

2. these seized assets increase their operating budgets, so it encourages them to go after criminals who have more money or cooler toys instead of those who are the biggest threat. (this in particular applies to what airhead was saying. law enforcement agencies already have the guys money and toys, so their is no profit to motivate other agencies to do their job.)

one example of this is a local law that says the car you are driving can be confiscated if you are arrested for picking up prostitutes or driving on a license that was suspended for DUI. the cars are sold at a profit, usually before the guy ever gets a trial (so you lose your right to due process), also the car doesn't even have to belong to the driver to be stolen by the city.

another issue that really shows that it's a revenue scam and not any sort of real deterrent is that unless the city can get enough money for a car (to cover the administrative expense in disposing of it) the don't take them. seems to me that if the point was really to take away the car that is being used as a means to break the law, then they would take these cars even if it weren't profitable for the city.

Leslie · « **Reply #27 on:** November 08, 2004, 10:39:02 AM »

Damn, Airhead, well at least you can fight back by starting up a whisky still in your house. You will be as famous as Mr. Jack. Make those guys sweat for a change.

Les

Ripsnort · « **Reply #28 on:** November 08, 2004, 10:46:11 AM »

Gun, don't know what to say other than no one should touch the tips except the acting bartendars. All the places I've bartended at had this rule (Shenanigans, Salty's at Redondo, Garica's of Scottsdale, El Torito) When we accepted Credit card transactions the tips were taken out of the drawer immediately and put in the tip jar.

Curval · « **Reply #29 on:** November 08, 2004, 10:59:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
We've been battling the commercial pot growers who live upstream from my patents' property for over twenty five years, off and on. I don't care if they grow dope or not, but we have a protected salmon spawning stream running through our property and there's so many pot growers illegally taking the water it's killing the fishery. About every two-three years we contact the DFG and the Sheriff's Dept. and we walk the stream, pulling out illegal water lines- once we pulled out 14 lines in an afternoon's walk.

We've had pot growers squat on our land, and when my Mom was walking once she happened upon a pot grower who threatened her and advised her not to visit that corner of the property until after harvest. They've hung fish hooks from trees hanging at eye level, poisoned the deer, dumped chemicals in the ground...and this is on OUR land. Finally we signed a waiver allowing the Sheriff to search our land cause that was the only way to get rid of them.

Dig this- bout twenty years ago I got stopped by two armed pot growers on my parents' driveway- on our property- demanding to know what my business was for being there. They looked kinda funny when I told them we owned the land, and even funnier when I told them the Sheriff did search and seizure sweeps every summer.

I don't even want to get into the crime aspect commercial growers bring with them into a community, and in my observations most commercial pot growers use crank, coke, whatever- nor the drain they cause on a Community, but suffice it to say these people are seasonal residents who squat on any remote parcel of land they can find, pollute, profit and leave.

Ahhhhh...okay. Now I understand.

Thanks for the clarification and I can see why you are fighting these guys.