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Offline tapakeg

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OK, who was Arafat?
« on: November 10, 2004, 11:15:14 PM »
Would someone please fill me in on who REALLY Arafat was and what he stood for?  I have grown up knowing of him and could identify him, (for god sakes bart simpsons changed clothes more often)
I know he was the leader of the PLO.  
He won the Nobel Peace Prize.  

NOW....

Who was he?
What exactly was the PLO?
Why do the PLO and Isreal hate each other so often?...Gazaa
How could a murderer and a terrorist (as depicted on this BBS ) win the Peace Prize?

I have been watching the news and realized i did not know anything about him or the region at all.  

Small words,  maybe even pictures     :)

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Offline john9001

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2004, 11:29:12 PM »
the nobel prizes are given out by 9 academics that live in a ivory tower in denmark and have lost touch with reality.

if you hate Isreal, arafat was a freedom fighter, if not he was a terrorist.

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Re: OK, who was Arafat?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2004, 11:38:44 PM »
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How could a murderer and a terrorist (as depicted on this BBS ) win the Peace Prize?


This is a very, very good question.

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Re: Re: OK, who was Arafat?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 12:01:27 AM »
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This is a very, very good question.


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OK, who was Arafat?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2004, 12:28:26 AM »
Well, in the last few days, he was dead, then he was alive, then he was dead, then he was alive, and he's currently dead again.

Aside from that, he's a guy who might have had good intentions, but appears to have robbed his people of two generations.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2004, 12:37:10 AM »
No doubt....

The revelations about his squirreled away wealth adds another dimension to it.

But.... it makes no sense. The only time he's been out of his compound, a building, in the last two years, was to go somewhere to die.

So what good is it? Any of it?

In the meantime, while he was busy not spending his fortune, he was doing nothing for his people. It's so back arsewards.

His death, bless him, is a good thing. Not because it bodes well for his people. But because it can't bode any worse.

Here's hoping something changes. Couldn't before. Can now.

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2004, 01:34:02 AM »
Rumor has it that when not killing Jews, Arafat would travel to the high alpine meadows in Austria each spring. Where he would prance among the flowers, singing his favorite musical numbers from the Sound of Music. Classified B&W CIA photo, date unknown.


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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2004, 01:55:38 AM »
Arafat was a terrorist plain and simple.

To the clintonites he was a way to peace but this is not true.

Everything he has doen goes against conventional diplomacy.  He would rather see dead jews burning in the streets with the media reporting that he is a "cause for freedom" than see his people free from opression and prosperous.

He is a posterboy for islamic fundimentalist because he lives next door to the "enemy".  Yet, his people suffer under him and an olive branch has been offered many times yet he accepts it under false pretensese, or he is powerless to keep to the peace terms.

This is a man that was corrupted by power and suported by liberals and world leaders to bring his people to soverenty and he failed miserably.

That is Yasser Arafat, may he burn in hell.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2004, 02:02:20 AM »
A psychopath

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/p...t=news&id=71848

Arch-Terrorist´s Legacy to be "Buried" in History

Many news media are reporting in the name of PA sources that arch-terrorist Yasser Arafat died yesterday in his Paris hospital bed, and that the official announcement will be made later today.

Reuters also reported that Arafat suffered a brain hemorrhage last night, and that "aides said privately that he was dead."

"I don't know anyone other than Arafat who has as much civilian Jewish blood on his hands since the time of the Nazis," Ariel Sharon said of him in 1995.

MK Aryeh Eldad (National Union) said in the Knesset yesterday, "There are not many things that have happened of late about which it is as appropriate to bless and rejoice over as the upcoming death of Yasser Arafat."

Arafat's official biography on the Nobel Prize website glosses over his terrorist past, writing only,
"In 1958 he and his friends founded Al-Fatah, an underground network of secret cells, which in 1959 began to publish a magazine advocating armed struggle against Israel. At the end of 1964 Arafat left Kuwait to become a full-time revolutionary, organizing Fatah raids into Israel from Jordan. It was also in 1964 that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was established [not by Arafat, who was elected leader only in 1968 Arutz-7 ed.], under the sponsorship of the Arab League, bringing together a number of groups all working to free Palestine for the Palestinians. The Arab states favored a more conciliatory policy than Fatah's... Arafat developed the PLO into a state within the state of Jordan with its own military forces. King Hussein of Jordan, disturbed by its guerrilla attacks on Israel and other violent methods, eventually expelled the PLO from his country. Arafat sought to build a similar organization in Lebanon, but this time was driven out by an Israeli military invasion. He kept the organization alive, however, by moving its headquarters to Tunis..."

The Nobel Prize site does not make clear that this long period was actually one of blood and murder orchestrated by Arafat. The PLO under his leadership conducted plane hijackings, bombings, and other acts of violence against Israel. In fact, the beginning of terror sky-jackings has been attributed to Arafat and the Fatah. Two years ago, after an Israeli plane was almost shot down in Kenya, then-Foreign Minister Binyamin Netanyahu warned, "Sky-jacking terrorism first began against Israeli targets abroad by Arafat and Fatah in the late 1960's, and it very quickly became an international plague."

Though there had been "transportation" skyjackings in which criminals wished to reach Cuba, the first terrorist-extortion hijacking of an airliner apparently occurred in July 1968, when terrorists of the PLO-faction PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) hijacked an El Al airliner to Algiers. (This was the only successful hijacking of an El Al plane.)

Two years later, PLO-PFLP terrorists hijacked four planes over Europe and flew them to Jordan and Cairo, where they were blown up. The terrorists used the passengers as bargaining chips to win the release of PLO terrorists from European jails.

The PLO under Arafat was also responsible for the massacre of 26 people, mostly children, in the Netiv Meir school in Maalot in May 1974. Another PLO organization perpetrated the Munich Olympics slaughter, killing eleven Israeli athletes in 1972.

In Lebanon, Arafat's forces killed hundreds of thousands of Christians, destroyed Christian villages, and burned churches, as detailed here. See also this article by a Lebanese Christian.

Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc, wrote [Wall Street Journal, January 12, 2002 ],
"... I am not surprised to see that Yasser Arafat remains the same bloody terrorist I knew so well during my years at the top of Romania's foreign intelligence service. I became directly involved with Arafat in the late 1960s, in the days when he was being financed and manipulated by the KGB... Gen. Sakharovsky asked us in Romanian intelligence to help the KGB bringing Arafat and some of his fedayeen fighters secretly to the Soviet Union via Romania, in order for them to be indoctrinated and trained. During that same year, the Soviets maneuvered to have Arafat named chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, with public help from Egypt's ruler, Gamal Abdel Nasser.

"When I first met Arafat, I was stunned by the ideological similarity between him and his KGB mentor. Arafat's broken record was that American "imperial Zionism" was the "rabid dog of the world," and there was only one way to deal with a rabid dog: "Kill it!" ... Arafat and his KGB handlers were preparing a PLO commando team headed by Arafat's top deputy, Abu Jihad, to take American diplomats hostage in Khartoum, Sudan, and demand the release of Sirhan Sirhan, the Palestinian assassin of Robert Kennedy...

"On March 2, 1973, after President Nixon refused the [above] demand, the PLO commandos executed three of their hostages: American Ambassador Cleo A. Noel Jr., his deputy, George Curtis Moore, and Belgian charge d'affaires Guy Eid. In May 1973, during a private dinner with Ceausescu, Arafat excitedly bragged about his Khartoum operation... James Welsh, a former intelligence analyst for the National Security Agency, has told U.S. journalists that the NSA had secretly intercepted the radio communications between Yasser Arafat and Abu Jihad during the PLO operation against the Saudi embassy in Khartoum, including Arafat's order to kill Ambassador Noel..."

Pacepa also wrote about PLO murders against its own people:
"In January 1978, the PLO representative in London was assassinated at his office. Soon after that, convincing pieces of evidence started to come to light showing that the crime was committed by the infamous terrorist Abu Nidal, who had recently broken with Arafat and built his own organization. "That wasn't a Nidal operation. It was ours," Ali Hassan Salameh, Arafat's liaison officer for Romania, told me. Even Ceausescu's adviser to Arafat, who was well familiar with his craftiness, was taken by surprise. "Why kill your own people?" Col. Constantin Olcescu asked. "We want to mount some spectacular operations against the PLO, making it look as if they had been organized by Palestinian extremist groups that accuse the chairman of becoming too conciliatory and moderate," Salameh explained..."


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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2004, 02:04:37 AM »
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This is a man that was corrupted by power and suported by leberals and world leaders to bring his people to soverenty and he failed miserably.

That is Yasser Arafat, may he burn in hell.



Supported by liberals? Boy that is really unfair. He was supported mostly by the fanatics in the ME. And here he was supported by many administrations that were conservative and liberal.
This liberals are the enemy stuff is crap.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2004, 02:08:56 AM »
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"...dead baby jews burning in the streets..."


That language just turns me off. I stop reading. Maybe you had something worthwhile to say....

I'll never know.

Come on Gunslinger. Everyone knows it's messed up. You're probably right with whatever you continued to say. But dead babies won't make you any freinds. They won't make your point for you. Dead babies pitched at a fence sitter, will not knock him off.

So knock it off.

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2004, 03:23:02 AM »
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with the media reporting that he is a "cause for freedom" than see his people free from opression and prosperous.

He is a posterboy for islamic fundimentalist because he lives next door to the "enemy". Yet, his people suffer under him and an olive branch has been offered many times yet he accepts it under false pretensese, or he is powerless to keep to the peace terms.

This is a man that was corrupted by power and suported by leberals and world leaders to bring his people to soverenty and he failed miserably.

That is Yasser Arafat, may he burn in hell.


That's the rest, you decide.

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2004, 05:23:28 AM »
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In Lebanon, Arafat's forces killed hundreds of thousands of Christians....


Gee, you'd have thought a previously unknown massacre of this scale would have drawn more reports than a single link that doesn't work.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2004, 06:26:56 AM »
LOL !

Let me guess... another uneducated Republican with IQ lower than 100 ?  :aok

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2004, 06:40:26 AM »
Anyone who thinks Arafat is the only reason there is no peace in the ME needs a brain transplant.

Israel has done it's share of crap in the last few years.