Author Topic: HTC can you look into your ACK (Read 2571 times)

Manedew · « **Reply #45 on:** November 16, 2004, 03:53:32 PM »

that lossy image is supposed to prove your point .... I don't think it does a good job

You can see cars easy from 3000 feet staight down (sun reflections off windshields make them real easy to spot at frist..........your only talking about half mile or so down..... Morph's screen shots are down .. your pic is not ... not to meantion the limitations of resolution vs. human vision)

your pic shows a town some miles off with lossy encodeing ..

put this in highway terms .. 30 seconds at 60-70 miles per hour ... can you see a car 30 seconds ahead, if your in flat country?

beet1e · « **Reply #46 on:** November 16, 2004, 04:51:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Manedew
not to meantion the limitations of resolution vs. human vision)

your pic shows a town some miles off with lossy encodeing ..

put this in highway terms .. 30 seconds at 60-70 miles per hour ... can you see a car 30 seconds ahead, if your in flat country?

Yes, it is a lossy shot - taken in 1998 with my first ever digital camera. I still think the resolution is better than some people get in flightsims - ie my wing trailing edge does not look like a hacksaw blade. The town is not "some miles off". The downward angle to that town is about 45° and at 3000' AGL that means the straight line distance to it would be about 4200'. Distance to the overhead would be the same as my height above it, ie about 3000' - about half a nautical mile.

Looking for a car 30 seconds ahead is no comparison. For one thing, you know exactly where to look, and you're probably picking it out against the horizon, assuming flat terrain. But anyone who's had to look out for conflicting aircraft knows how hard it can be, even when they're brilliant white. Against the sky might be easy, but against terrain much more difficult. That's why people use radar services, and that's why planes have strobe lights on the wingtips. Even then, you might not pick out a conflicting aircraft until it's within 300 yards.

You're right about computer resolution v. human vision. Even with a decent camera, I could only show you what 3000 feet looks like on a computer screen - the view in that pic looked a lot clearer/bigger to my naked eye the day I took it.

But what are the flightsim coders to do? Project imagery onto the screen saying "this is what it looks like at 6000ft", or do they reproduce the imagery on our screens as a pilot would see it with his naked eye at those altitudes? A computer screen simply isn't big enough to do the latter, so they do the former - with some concessions for gaming, eg. icons next to aircraft dots.

beet1e · « **Reply #47 on:** November 16, 2004, 04:55:57 PM »

Manedew - one last thing. Our flat country has a few mountains. Tallest in the UK is Ben Nevis, Scotland - taller than Mt. Mansfield, highest point in Vermont where you live.

Mind you, I loved Vermont, but thought NH had a slight edge.

streetstang · « **Reply #48 on:** November 16, 2004, 05:00:03 PM »

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the visibility of game affecting units should be consistent regardless of how the sliders are set.

What DON'T you understand about this part beetle?

For someone who holds himself to such a high regard as you do, one would think you'd use a little more common sense before opening your mouth.

crims · « **Reply #49 on:** November 16, 2004, 07:35:44 PM »

Field Ack would be nice to see before you have past it

GV's would be nice to see also before they shoot me down

But to me these are small details in the big picture, I'm sure they will work it out. It seams to me the game now runs more on System then Video. I thought it was going to be the other way around. But what do I know I spend my free time playing an Online game

Crims
479th Raiders

Manedew · « **Reply #50 on:** November 16, 2004, 07:39:33 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Manedew - one last thing. Our flat country has a few mountains. Tallest in the UK is Ben Nevis, Scotland - taller than Mt. Mansfield, highest point in Vermont where you live.

Mind you, I loved Vermont, but thought NH had a slight edge.

Ya i've hiked Mansfield ... not the longtrail though......
But I grew up in Texas ... West texas you can see forever on the ground. I used to drive up to Colorado alot when I lived there .... hiked the great divide a bit and skied at other times of year.

Can you even ski in the UK?

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Anyway do you get the idea that becuase of these limitations some consessions to gameplay should be made.... like linda blair head movement ... you'd have tons better possible SA in RL excepting AH's icons... you know icons... a consession to gameplay.....

acks were maybe too visable before, but I feel they should be more visable than currently .... and easily zoomed in on .... don't know about all players, but only time I use zoom is to look at ground objects. Maybe they could code ground vis mode when zoomed as a defualt option? Or something else along tho's lines..... where important ground objects have a much higher distance bias by default

beet1e · « **Reply #51 on:** November 17, 2004, 03:58:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Manedew
Ya i've hiked Mansfield ... not the longtrail though......
But I grew up in Texas ... West texas you can see forever on the ground. I used to drive up to Colorado alot when I lived there .... hiked the great divide a bit and skied at other times of year.

Can you even ski in the UK?

Oh you're a hiker? Same here! I've hiked Scafell Pike and Snowdon (tallest in England and in Wales way back in my teens, but not Ben Nevis - going to be doing that next Spring with my brother.

Yes, there IS skiing in the UK - in Scotland at a place called Aviemore.
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Anyway do you get the idea that becuase of these limitations some consessions to gameplay should be made.... like linda blair head movement ... you'd have tons better possible SA in RL excepting AH's icons... you know icons... a consession to gameplay.....

acks were maybe too visable before, but I feel they should be more visable than currently .... and easily zoomed in on .... don't know about all players, but only time I use zoom is to look at ground objects. Maybe they could code ground vis mode when zoomed as a defualt option? Or something else along tho's lines..... where important ground objects have a much higher distance bias by default
Yes, I agree that concessions are needed, like icons. But the point I'm trying to make (and that Eagl has made) is that it's doubtful that an RL pilot would be able to look down, locate an object 6,000ft below such as a gun emplacement, and even be able to tell if the gun was still working, which is what "Morpheus in the Undergrowth" wants. Zooming is another huge concession! Maybe some smoke coming from a destroyed ack would be realistic, but - more video card load. Judging by these whines, I suspect some people are still running on video cards which are below spec for AH2.

I can well believe the visibility in west Texas. I was in Oregon once and saw the best flight conditions I've ever seen - mountains visible 60 miles away (more like 100 from aloft). Temperature was 100°F with a dewpoint of 45°F - that's a huge spread - conditions we never see in the UK...

...but not much WW2 aerial combat occurred over the US - erm... well none, actually. But there was quite a lot in Europe. And even though we get some good days - especially over mainland Europe and in drier climes such as Spain, we often don't see the perfect conditions which you have seen in TX.

This was a point I left out last time. In AH, the weather is always CAVOK, or "CAVU" as you guys know it. In an arena full of guys who are afraid of the dark and had night removed, and guys who wail like Mr. Bill at the sight of clouds, I don't think they'd settle for anything less than CAVOK/CAVU in a "flightsim".

Vudak · « **Reply #52 on:** November 17, 2004, 09:10:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Manedew
Ya i've hiked Mansfield ... not the longtrail though......
But I grew up in Texas ... West texas you can see forever on the ground. I used to drive up to Colorado alot when I lived there .... hiked the great divide a bit and skied at other times of year.

Can you even ski in the UK?

Hiking? Skiing? ... And you live on Lake Champlain????

Your nuts man, forget the walking, walking sucks! Sit in a boat and fish all day, that's what I'd be doing if I got to stay up there all year round!

... Oh yeah... AH1 ack = better... (Have to at least try to stay on-topic

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Manedew · « **Reply #53 on:** November 17, 2004, 12:05:56 PM »

I might like night if AH was geared towards night combat .. but fact is we have absolutly
no night fighters and other night aid stuff.....

I'm more talking about drawing bias ..... at 1.5k i'd like to see eveything that can
possible shoot me ... after that let normal settigns override object drawing for preformance ....
but not drawing ack's and GV's unless you select 'ground mode' can make you
dead and wonder why....... it's no fun when you die to a GV or Ack you had no
clue was there IMHO. That's my point in the end .. I think most would agree.....

Bias drawing of anything that can shoot.......

Fishing?
you know it freezes right?

also .. there is so much mercury in the lake etc .... they say don't eat more than one
fish out of it a month .... I don't eat any ... if you want to fish, go to the mountains
where it's clean ...... unless your in it for the pure sport ... I do like to eat what I catch....

here's pic of burrrrrrlington in dead of winter

Vudak · « **Reply #54 on:** November 17, 2004, 12:47:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Manedew

Fishing?
you know it freezes right?

also .. there is so much mercury in the lake etc .... they say don't eat more than one
fish out of it a month .... I don't eat any ... if you want to fish, go to the mountains
where it's clean ...... unless your in it for the pure sport ... I do like to eat what I catch....

Yeah I know it freezes... So sit in a shed! Work with me here!

Nice sunset picture you've got there though, I have a house on the other side of the lake in Crown Point (just north of Ticonderoga), so I can only catch the sunrise (though lately, when I've been up there, the clouds are ruining that

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And no I don't really eat what I catch, simply for pure sport - I don't know if you gone across the lake to Bulwagga Bay but man, phew! Haven't been there for awhile but there were some biiiig ol fish when I was.

beet1e · « **Reply #55 on:** November 17, 2004, 01:37:50 PM »

Oh, well no reply from Morpheus in the Underworld.

I was thinking about what he said. I think he's right. Acks should be made more visible in this *game*.

So I doctored his pic as a means of coming up with a few suggestions. No rocket science - just a draft for now.

Elfie · « **Reply #56 on:** November 17, 2004, 01:59:56 PM »

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Originally posted by streetstang
What DON'T you understand about this part beetle?

For someone who holds himself to such a high regard as you do, one would think you'd use a little more common sense before opening your mouth.

It's impossible for Beet1e to understand anything except his own limited view of things. He doesnt even play this game anymore yet he thinks he needs to comment on gameplay issues

Beet1e when you quit playing you gave up your right to comment on gameplay issues, go back to the O'Club and drool over some more anti-gun threads

AKcurly · « **Reply #57 on:** November 17, 2004, 03:03:49 PM »

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Beet1e, I know you won't understand this, there just isnt enough grey matter between your ears, but...I'm gonna say it anyway.

This isnt about camoflaged guns in pits, heck the field guns arent in pits OR camoflaged, they are all out in the open. For some no matter how close you get, the guns arent EVER drawn by the video card.

I personally have all 3 detail sliders to the far right. Its the only way my system can handle a cat 5 furball over a damaged base. The only way I ever see a field gun is when I am gunning one.

Some graphics details dont need to be drawn by the video card all the time. Anything that can kill you SHOULD be drawn regardless of the video settings. IE....gv's, acks, planes,and ships.

Morph...Beet1e is and always will be a jackarse, just disregard him

I understand your point, Elfie but consider this: How close do you have to get to a ground vehicle under the trees before you are aware of it? If it's a flak panzer, are you in its range? If it's under a tree line, yes, it can reach you.

I dunno, it seems to me that ack positions should be visible (unless you're really low) only if they are firing at you. They are too small to be seen!

Or, you can always zoom the view (from a safe distange) and check if the position is alive. To me, this represents a game play compromise.

I like the ack in ah2 just the way it is.

curly

Elfie · « **Reply #58 on:** November 17, 2004, 03:56:24 PM »

Curly I cant see the acks unless I move the sliders. Moving the sliders causes my fr to drop drastically. (looks like a slide show) Without moving the sliders I can be 50 feet above the deck and cant see the guns.

Same thing applies to gv's, only I have to use shift + F4 with an even worse fr hit.

Anything that can kill me should be visible all of the time regardless of game detail settings. Right now gv's and acks being drawn by your video card seems to be dependent on the detail settings in AH. Thats what needs to be changed.

streetstang · « **Reply #59 on:** November 17, 2004, 04:19:22 PM »

Beetle what would you like me to say?

If I said what I wanted to say I'd be banned from this forum and probably AH for life.

Basicly I think your just some burnt out old chump who used to play AH and now spends his days trolling the forums for a hijack and an argument. What more do I need to say that you probably dont know already? I'm sure you cant put the rest into perspective on your own. You do anyways.