Author Topic: HTC can you look into your ACK (Read 2568 times)

streetstang · « **on:** November 15, 2004, 07:19:03 AM »

Last night we were over a base, 5 or 6 of us in CHogs. I asked if everyone wanted to go in and take down ack. A few of us did but some just flew in and flew out. After it was all down they said that no matter what they did they could not see the ack. Not even by zooming in while right on top of it.

I can see ack, but only from about 1k maybe more and only when im zoomed in as far as posible. And even then its a streach.

Back in AH1. When an ack was up, the circle around the ack gun was bright, when it was taken out there was a darker shaded area around the ack telling you it was down.

Currently, when you take out an ack, the only thing that changes is that little black speck disapears and you are still left with the grey pad in which the gun was set on. Its almost imposible for some, and for some it is imposible to determine if an ack is down right now.

Is there something you can do, to make the ack more visible? Maybe something like you had in AH1? When the ack was down in AH1 you knew it. Heck, you could tell from almost 6-7k away that the ack was down or up at a base.

Its bad enough that ack wont come down without using 100's of rounds of MG's. But its even worse to not be able to see the ack in order to take it down.

BTW, I have all my graphic settings set at most detailed. And at 1k(give or take), while zoomed in they are still near imposible to see.

Ghosth · « **Reply #1 on:** November 15, 2004, 07:46:26 AM »

I couldn't agree more!

Whats more, the diff kinds of ack should LOOK different.

And should be easily seen from 1.5k out.

A manned ack should start with a 3/4 circle of sandbags. RAISED above the ground to protect the people operating it. Granted the gun inside is fairly small. But the sandbags should stand out.

Currently all the ack fades in & out of view as the terrain flickers with textures.

88's should look like what they are, a BIG Anti Aircraft ARTILLERY gun shooting at the sky. Each should have SEVERAL people working around it, and a PILE of ammunition. Which should explode btw when cannon rounds hit it.

WMLute · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2004, 08:13:26 AM »

Yup Yup. I have said the same on this bbs re. the ack. If you adjust the top slider in your vid settings ingame, you can see the ack from further out. When I am going in to hit the ack at a field, I adjust the slider. UNFORTUNATLY this totally kills my fps. If I adjust it so I can see it from far out, I suffer terrible fps. If I go for good fps, I can't see it untill i'm on top of it.

GREAT Idea to take ack guns OFF this system and make them viewable from 1.5 out period. FOR SURE would help my fps, and my gameplay. And to me anyway, the 88 guns DO look bigger.

DipStick · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2004, 08:58:51 AM »

Agree 100%.

dedalos · « **Reply #4 on:** November 15, 2004, 10:23:48 AM »

You guys wanted new and improved graphics right? In any case, I could not see ack unles it was firing at me and withing 1K. I adjusted the top slider to the max and now I can see them from 2k out and get to enjoy the 15fps and the staters as I get closer to the base.

While on the ack subject, does anybody know why I can take 5 hits from the ac and get close to 0 damage, but if hit by manded ack its an instand death? Are they different guns or just set for gameplay?

whels · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2004, 11:03:12 AM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
You guys wanted new and improved graphics right? In any case, I could not see ack unles it was firing at me and withing 1K. I adjusted the top slider to the max and now I can see them from 2k out and get to enjoy the 15fps and the staters as I get closer to the base.

While on the ack subject, does anybody know why I can take 5 hits from the ac and get close to 0 damage, but if hit by manded ack its an instand death? Are they different guns or just set for gameplay?

regular field AA is 20mm. Mannable AA is 37mm. like in
a Ostie.

whels

dedalos · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2004, 11:22:35 AM »

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Originally posted by whels
regular field AA is 20mm. Mannable AA is 37mm. like in
a Ostie.

whels

Glad I figured that out after 2 years, lol

Thank you

XrightyX · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2004, 11:22:51 AM »

I think in AH2 the acks were placed under camouflaged nets. Alright by me. Poor field gunners need some protection....

Thankless job they have sitting in the hot sun waiting for the vulching horde to arrive only to be shot up in a matter of seconds.

Here's to the AI gunners (raises a cold one!), may they forever be camouflaged!

streetstang · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2004, 01:21:33 PM »

I'm not sure if your trying to make a point and I'm completly missing it Righty or if your just have no point to make.

I'll bite tho.

This isnt' about the guns being cammo'd or some poor soul who is sitting in his field ack awaiting an enemy plane.

Its about not being able to see something when that something is present and able to blast you out of the sky if you dont take it down.

For me, I always do a fast check, if I can, of base ack. Zoomed in from as far away as I can. When I find any that are up I go in and try to take them down. But for some, they simply can't see the things. The little grey spots where the ack is or should be look the same regardless of the ack being intact or destroyed.

I see this as a problem, because for some, these people who can't see them, they are at a disadvantage.

I'll come into a base, where people are saying all the ack is down. I'll double check that and find in many cases only half of it is taken down and the rest they can't see. The same ones who can't see the ack are flying nearly 500ft over it looking for it. Again, I see this as a problem that needs to be and should be addressed.

dedalos · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:00:45 PM »

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Originally posted by streetstang
I'm not sure if your trying to make a point and I'm completly missing it Righty or if your just have no point to make.

I'll bite tho.

This isnt' about the guns being cammo'd or some poor soul who is sitting in his field ack awaiting an enemy plane.

Its about not being able to see something when that something is present and able to blast you out of the sky if you dont take it down.

For me, I always do a fast check, if I can, of base ack. Zoomed in from as far away as I can. When I find any that are up I go in and try to take them down. But for some, they simply can't see the things. The little grey spots where the ack is or should be look the same regardless of the ack being intact or destroyed.

I see this as a problem, because for some, these people who can't see them, they are at a disadvantage.

I'll come into a base, where people are saying all the ack is down. I'll double check that and find in many cases only half of it is taken down and the rest they can't see. The same ones who can't see the ack are flying nearly 500ft over it looking for it. Again, I see this as a problem that needs to be and should be addressed.

You are right. It is a problem but only if you don't have your sliders set to max

Elfie · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:04:59 PM »

I agree, make the acks visible for all of us. If I moved one of the sliders all the way to the left I would have an FR of .5

dedalos · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:15:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I agree, make the acks visible for all of us. If I moved one of the sliders all the way to the left I would have an FR of .5

True. My point is that the problem is not just with the ack but with the game. Unless I am willing to play with staters and fps below 15, acks is not the only thing I cant see. How about GVs, CVs, can't remember last time I saw an LVT, and I constantly listen to friendlies calling bandits on my 3 and 9 o'clock that I don;t see until almost in icon range.

The trick is to find a playable balance that works for you. For example, I can run at 40fps if I remove deacking and gv bombing from my game. Or get max 20 fps and be able to see the ack and gvs from 1.5 to 2k out. Soon enough, I'll find a way to see the cvs before the puffy ack fires at me.

Or, they can fix the game. Oups my bad, I mean that I need a new computer.

eagl · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:20:22 PM »

Have you ever flown over an ack site for real and tried to see it?

Seeing a 10 ft diameter hole with a gun and maybe 2-3 people in it isn't all that easy. If any camo effort is made, even sandbags that are the same color as the background, you have to get really close.

Even finding the bright orange windsock on an uncontrolled field the first time you visit it can be challenging, and those suckers can be 10+ ft long, sitting in a 20 ft diameter ploughed cutout surrounded by orange and white markers. A dude with sticks in his helmet manning a gun that has camo netting tied around the receiver is going to be pretty tough compared to that.

If the change was deliberate, you might think to ask HT or Pyro why the change was made, but then you'd have to first ask if it was deliberate or not, instead of just saying that it sucks and asking for it to be changed back.

My $.02

mechanic · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:40:07 PM »

im loath to admit, but morpheus is right.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:42:27 PM »

I have a prob with spitfires they almost invisible at d200