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Offline mitchk

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Marine killing insurgent
« on: November 18, 2004, 04:24:02 PM »
OMG people. I just read about half the post below about this and I can't believe how stupid some of you are.

first off. the marines are allowed to handle both obviouse and percived threats with force. the man facking death was a precieved threat.

2 the Geneva convention does not applie to the innsurgents, they are not part of a millitary they are civilians with guns.

3 If you want to applie the rulse then the marine had every right to kill the man as he was facking death.If you listen to the video the clearly says "he's facking he's dead . he's facking he's dead."

And if the guy wasn't facking then he was dead and the marine shot a corps.:D

stop listening to CNN.

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2004, 04:30:42 PM »
what was the man doing to death....?
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2004, 04:36:41 PM »
I agree.  Facking death is t3h bad.

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2004, 04:40:43 PM »
he obviously went to the HiTech Creations schule of speeling.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2004, 04:58:50 PM »
The power of brainwashing is increadable.

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2004, 05:00:02 PM »
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Originally posted by mitchk
OMG people. I just read about half the post below about this and I can't believe how stupid some of you are.

first off. the marines are allowed to handle both obviouse and percived threats with force. the man facking death was a precieved threat.

2 the Geneva convention does not applie to the innsurgents, they are not part of a millitary they are civilians with guns.

3 If you want to applie the rulse then the marine had every right to kill the man as he was facking death.If you listen to the video the clearly says "he's facking he's dead . he's facking he's dead."

And if the guy wasn't facking then he was dead and the marine shot a corps.:D

stop listening to CNN.


It is that most of the people have no clue. They just won't peace and happiness, they (the people that are saying hang the Marine) have never been in a war and never had to do any thing like that.  

Now with that I am a U.S. Marine, and I have been in for 9yr. I have not been to Iraq, but I have been to Afghanistan, And other ***** holes to.

WAR $ucks it is not fun to kill a man!!!! It $UCKS!!!!

But if that was me would have shot  him to!!!!!!!

Now ask any one that has had to fight in combat and about 99% will say the same the 1% are the John Kerry's.

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2004, 05:14:53 PM »
the question should be asked..  If that were an 'inusrgent' shooting a face down marine in the head, what would you say about it?

Step back and do some thinking.

Would an insurgent shoot a marine in the same situation?
  you betcha!

Should a marine shoot an insurgent in the head in that situation?
  Call me a bleeding heart liberal but, no.  Why?  Because i still hold out some hope that we are a cut above the insurgents, or lets just call them what they really are.  The enemies army without the money for a uniform.  Since there was a cameraman in the room, we have to assume that the situation was well in hand, save for a booby trap.  And then we may as well execute each and every iraqi we see.

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2004, 05:21:00 PM »
Im not sure how anyone can second guess or pass judgement the Marine over there with his bellybutton on the line. The insurgent got what he had coming to him.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2004, 05:24:40 PM »
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the question should be asked..  If that were an 'inusrgent' shooting a face down marine in the head, what would you say about it?

Step back and do some thinking.

Would an insurgent shoot a marine in the same situation?
  you betcha!

Should a marine shoot an insurgent in the head in that situation?
  Call me a bleeding heart liberal but, no.  Why?  Because i still hold out some hope that we are a cut above the insurgents, or lets just call them what they really are.  The enemies army without the money for a uniform.  Since there was a cameraman in the room, we have to assume that the situation was well in hand, save for a booby trap.  And then we may as well execute each and every iraqi we see.


Ok you are a bleeding heart Liberal.
1st he was not face down, 2nd he had a AK-47 4ft from him, 3rd he was playing dead, 4th the Marine had a bud killed the same way the day before.

You are just what I was talking about.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2004, 05:37:20 PM »
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2 the Geneva convention does not applie to the innsurgents, they are not part of a millitary they are civilians with guns.


I question just this part , if geneva convention don't apply what are the rules ?

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2004, 05:51:14 PM »
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
the question should be asked..  If that were an 'inusrgent' shooting a face down marine in the head, what would you say about it?

Step back and do some thinking.

Would an insurgent shoot a marine in the same situation?
  you betcha!

Should a marine shoot an insurgent in the head in that situation?
  Call me a bleeding heart liberal but, no.  Why?  Because i still hold out some hope that we are a cut above the insurgents, or lets just call them what they really are.  The enemies army without the money for a uniform.  Since there was a cameraman in the room, we have to assume that the situation was well in hand, save for a booby trap.  And then we may as well execute each and every iraqi we see.


Assume watermelon dummy.  Making assumptions about that guy being harmless, about the situation being "in hand" will get you killed quick.  Thank God the Marines and Soldiers there are brighter and more in touch than you are.  Have you missed the newsreports about booby trapped injured and dead bodies?

And,

Did you miss this????   Where have you been?  Where was your righteous indignation then???

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4 Marines slain

Iraq massacre video shows looted bodies

BY RICHARD SISK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Grim video shows bodies of U.S. Marines killed in ambush.
WASHINGTON - Four Marines were shot to death in Iraq yesterday - and a video of the soldiers sprawled in the dirt was delivered to news outlets.

The bodies of the ambushed Marines were shown within feet of one another in the hostile town of Ramadi in what appeared to be a walled compound.

Their body armor - mandatory for U.S. troops in hostile areas - was missing, and a nearby field pack appeared to have been looted.

Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt declined to comment on reports that the four were shot at close range, possibly indicating that they were executed after being captured.


Freaking hand wringing tree hugging peta loving weeping liberals have no real clue about life outside their safe little enclaves.  Get a clue.

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2004, 05:54:11 PM »
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Assume watermelon dummy.  Making assumptions about that guy being harmless, about the situation being "in hand" will get you killed quick.  Thank God the Marines and Soldiers there are brighter and more in touch than you are.  Have you missed the newsreports about booby trapped injured and dead bodies?

And,

Did you miss this????   Where have you been?  Where was your righteous indignation then???

 

Freaking hand wringing tree hugging peta loving weeping liberals have no real clue about life outside their safe little enclaves.  Get a clue.

dago


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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2004, 08:23:11 PM »
It would appear, the enemy combatants dont quite meet the qualifications for POW status

According to the Geneva convention that is

seems they dont quite fulfill the conditions that need to be met to fall under militia status

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A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

5. Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.

6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

B. The following shall likewise be treated as prisoners of war under the present Convention:

1. Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the armed forces of the occupied country, if the occupying Power considers it necessary by reason of such allegiance to intern them, even though it has originally liberated them while hostilities were going on outside the territory it occupies, in particular where such persons have made an unsuccessful attempt to rejoin the armed forces to which they belong and which are engaged in combat, or where they fail to comply with a summons made to them with a view to internment.

2. The persons belonging to one of the categories enumerated in the present Article, who have been received by neutral or non-belligerent Powers on their territory and whom these Powers are required to intern under international law, without prejudice to any more favourable treatment which these Powers may choose to give and with the exception of Articles 8, 10, 15, 30, fifth paragraph, 58-67, 92, 126 and, where diplomatic relations exist between the Parties to the conflict and the neutral or non-belligerent Power concerned, those Articles concerning the Protecting Power. Where such diplomatic relations exist, the Parties to a conflict on whom these persons depend shall be allowed to perform towards them the functions of a Protecting Power as provided in the present Convention, without prejudice to the functions which these Parties normally exercise in conformity with diplomatic and consular usage and treaties.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2004, 08:55:26 AM »
whithawk... a simple armband has been recognized as a "uniform" by most nations and courts.

It is simple... blame the moron terrorist strategist that came up with the "fake surrender" "fake death" strategy.

If they move when I come into a room and I can't see their hand...  I would shoot.

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2004, 09:07:49 AM »
The most stupid thing about this kinda action is that you actually make your enemy  fiting until they die. That is their only option anyway. If they could surrender properly they might do that.

If that woulda been me in that sit. I woulda telled everyone to back out and granated the guy, if I was sure he had strapped a bomb to himselfe

edit: easy for me to say sofasitting it, the shooter prolly experienced a lot of crap before this happend. dosnt make the action legal anyway.
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