Clinton Libraries

[AKWeav]

We're hated by our allies now.

They're just PO'd cause we shut off their flow of cash.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Fruda
Wow, two other people besides me are actually not Republicans here?

Nothing wrong with that, really, but it's the way you lot present yourselves. You're not exactly nice about many things, it seems. Would it actually kill you to see our opinions from a point of view other than your own? You can call most people here closed-minded, because that's exactly what you are.

What you people think is bad is good for others. Higher taxes means more help for the less fortunate. Did it ever occur to you that paying those taxes *GASP* might actually be going toward a good cause?

Face it: Our country is no safer than it was in the 1990's. Our economy is crap compared to that decade. We're hated by our allies now. Millions are still unemployed, and the millions of people who have "gotten their jobs back" have gotten absolutely worthless service-based jobs at places like Burger King and Wal-Mart. They're nothing like the Office and Manufactuing jobs they once had.

Let's see what huge flame war erupts out of this post. Come on, out with it, people. Insult me all you want, and tell me that I'm full of crap... I'm used to it.

not all of us are "mean"  and yes some of us go against the grain every now and then when a genuinely logical idea presents itself (that doesnt happen to often with liberals)  But mostly we are tired of being cause Fascists because we have a set of Ideals that you don't agree with.  We are tired of the repeated persacution of christianity in this country.  We are tired of liberals who want to see our troops fail in Iraq because it makes the president look bad.  We are tired of people telling us the second amendment is all about hunting.  AND we are most tired of socialist agendas sneaking into our society today.  The biggest difference between conservatives and liberals when it comes to helping others is we'd rather give a leg up than give a hand out.  Empowering people to change their own lives goes alot farther than giving them a check not to work.  Just my opinion.

[JBA]

Originally posted by deSelys

It's about a theory that was nicely demonstrated in a TV show that I watched a few weeks ago....

 ...during a somewhat dangerous game happened an accident

 TV show trying to revitalize Clintons legacy?
Ya it's called no money to maintain fleet, and fuel leaks on sub. Perhaps not opening the outer doors before test launch?

If you barking up the COLLISION tree you better have over whelming proof.

[Creamo]

I watched the Peter Jennings interview with Clinton last night. Clinton was, well, good ‘ol boy smooth politician Clinton, until he was asked about the impeachment section.

 I have never seen that side of that guy that’s for sure. He got extremely pissed, enough so I have to admit, that guy on a tear I reluctantly would say looked intimidating. Like he would have no problem offing someone that would press him on the issue with the means to carry it out. Might explain why Billary didn’t remove his nads. I honestly don’t think she could, without ending up in the Bay.

Don’t argue unless you saw that clip last night.

[CAVY]

Originally posted by Fruda
Wow, two other people besides me are actually not Republicans here?

Nothing wrong with that, really, but it's the way you lot present yourselves. You're not exactly nice about many things, it seems. Would it actually kill you to see our opinions from a point of view other than your own? You can call most people here closed-minded, because that's exactly what you are.

What you people think is bad is good for others. Higher taxes means more help for the less fortunate. Did it ever occur to you that paying those taxes *GASP* might actually be going toward a good cause?

Face it: Our country is no safer than it was in the 1990's. Our economy is crap compared to that decade. We're hated by our allies now. Millions are still unemployed, and the millions of people who have "gotten their jobs back" have gotten absolutely worthless service-based jobs at places like Burger King and Wal-Mart. They're nothing like the Office and Manufactuing jobs they once had.

Let's see what huge flame war erupts out of this post. Come on, out with it, people. Insult me all you want, and tell me that I'm full of crap... I'm used to it.

Let me start by asking you and all of your other cronies (liberals) this question...I did notice, that, all of you people  love paying the higher taxes didn't send their refund checks from George W. Bush back to the Govt. No..you all cashed them and Oh..I no let me see.... you gave yours to charity right??? Im sick and tired of paying for people who feel that gov't should pay their freight. maybe you should go back and look and see how economicly prosper the 1970's were when Jimmy carter was giving away the store. It took the greatness of Ronald reagan to spark the 1990's (trickle down economics ring a bell) Not Bill Clinton who still to this day tries to take the credit for it. Service Jobs...Im glad to see that these jobs mean nothing you, These so called service jobs put food in millions of peoples mouths each day. But people like yourself who feel so bad for the under privledge, would rather see the US Gov't pay for them instead of them making an honest buck..look I'm from an extremely poor and disfunctional childhood filled with all the problems that the liberal agenda fights for each day.. but their is a limit..I pulled myself away from the down and out...I don't thank the Gov't for the escape from it..I thank the USA and those service jobs for giving me the oppurtunity to do so........

[CAVY]

Originally posted by Creamo
I watched the Peter Jennings interview with Clinton last night. Clinton was, well, good ‘ol boy smooth politician Clinton, until he was asked about the impeachment section.

 I have never seen that side of that guy that’s for sure. He got extremely pissed, enough so I have to admit, that guy on a tear I reluctantly would say looked intimidating. Like he would have no problem offing someone that would press him on the issue with the means to carry it out. Might explain why Billary didn’t remove his nads. I honestly don’t think she could, without ending up in the Bay.

Don’t argue unless you saw that clip last night.

CREAMO

[CAVY]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
not all of us are "mean"  and yes some of us go against the grain every now and then when a genuinely logical idea presents itself (that doesnt happen to often with liberals)  But mostly we are tired of being cause Fascists because we have a set of Ideals that you don't agree with.  We are tired of the repeated persacution of christianity in this country.  We are tired of liberals who want to see our troops fail in Iraq because it makes the president look bad.  We are tired of people telling us the second amendment is all about hunting.  AND we are most tired of socialist agendas sneaking into our society today.  The biggest difference between conservatives and liberals when it comes to helping others is we'd rather give a leg up than give a hand out.  Empowering people to change their own lives goes alot farther than giving them a check not to work.  Just my opinion.

BRAVO for the GUNSLINGER SEMPER FI OOOOHHHH RAAAAHHHH

[CAVY]

Originally posted by Fruda
Wow, two other people besides me are actually not Republicans here?

Nothing wrong with that, really, but it's the way you lot present yourselves. You're not exactly nice about many things, it seems. Would it actually kill you to see our opinions from a point of view other than your own? You can call most people here closed-minded, because that's exactly what you are.

What you people think is bad is good for others. Higher taxes means more help for the less fortunate. Did it ever occur to you that paying those taxes *GASP* might actually be going toward a good cause?

Face it: Our country is no safer than it was in the 1990's. Our economy is crap compared to that decade. We're hated by our allies now. Millions are still unemployed, and the millions of people who have "gotten their jobs back" have gotten absolutely worthless service-based jobs at places like Burger King and Wal-Mart. They're nothing like the Office and Manufactuing jobs they once had.

Let's see what huge flame war erupts out of this post. Come on, out with it, people. Insult me all you want, and tell me that I'm full of crap... I'm used to it.

1993  World trade center  NYC..Clinton didn't even come to the site..let alone retaliate in any way shape or form

USS Cole..Just a phony tear from him..again no retaliation what so ever.

Bill Clinton took office in 1993...US NAVY SHIPS    Approx 3200

Thank fully he left office 2001...US NAVY SHIPS    approx 2100

Disgracefull!!!

Major cuts to US intelligence operations throughout the 1990's

Sept. 11, 2001...............Thank you Mr. Clinton and the Liberal agenda...

Enough said about security now and the 1990's

[Chairboy]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm

[Fruda]

Originally posted by CAVY
Let me start by asking you and all of your other cronies (liberals) this question...I did notice, that, all of you people  love paying the higher taxes didn't send their refund checks from George W. Bush back to the Govt. No..you all cashed them and Oh..I no let me see.... you gave yours to charity right??? Im sick and tired of paying for people who feel that gov't should pay their freight. maybe you should go back and look and see how economicly prosper the 1970's were when Jimmy carter was giving away the store. It took the greatness of Ronald reagan to spark the 1990's (trickle down economics ring a bell) Not Bill Clinton who still to this day tries to take the credit for it. Service Jobs...Im glad to see that these jobs mean nothing you, These so called service jobs put food in millions of peoples mouths each day. But people like yourself who feel so bad for the under privledge, would rather see the US Gov't pay for them instead of them making an honest buck..look I'm from an extremely poor and disfunctional childhood filled with all the problems that the liberal agenda fights for each day.. but their is a limit..I pulled myself away from the down and out...I don't thank the Gov't for the escape from it..I thank the USA and those service jobs for giving me the oppurtunity to do so........

Dodging the fact that George Bush Sr. had even bigger tax hikes is beyond me. Clinton helped us recover from the Bush presidency. And refund checks? We (my family) never got anything like that, nor has anybody I know.

Do you have any idea of how difficult it is to make it with only $245 a month for food? That's all that the government is giving us (3 people in my house) for my Dad's disabilities. If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.

And my brother can't get a job, because if he did, the government would cut off our monthly food stamps (he'd also only be able to work at a place like Wal-Mart). And my dad can't work because he's really messed up from kidney and heart disease (among other things). And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.

If we didn't have these taxes and government programs, we wouldn't have a house, a car, food, or clothes. Two people working at Wal-Mart and Jack In The Box won't pay for half of what we have.

And those service jobs aren't meaningless. They're good for the person who's starting out --- Somebody with a small apartment and not too many things. But I'm saying that those people who lost their office and manufacturing jobs are working in service jobs now, making far less money than they actually need.

Those jobs are meaningless to people who once had jobs that payed over $45,000 a year. Don't take something out of the original context just because you're pissed off for some odd reason.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Chairboy
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm

Good read

[Fruda]

1993 World trade center NYC..Clinton didn't even come to the site..let alone retaliate in any way shape or form

I didn't like the fact that he didn't visit the site. So, that's points off for that one. At least he actually got the bastards who did it, unlike yours truly, Mr. Bush.

USS Cole..Just a phony tear from him..again no retaliation what so ever.

Could he have done much about it? It was one month before the election, and even if he put all his power into hunting down the group that was responsible, they still wouldn't have been caught during his Presidency.

Bill Clinton took office in 1993...US NAVY SHIPS Approx 3200
Thank fully he left office 2001...US NAVY SHIPS approx 2100
Disgracefull!!!

Wow, 1,100 fewer ships. It cut unnecessary spending, and no harm was done by it. It's not like we can't defend ourselves with 2,100 ships. And mind you, we STILL have the most powerful military in the world. A quote... " . . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world."

Major cuts to US intelligence operations throughout the 1990's

Yeah, cuts to unnecessary spending, once again.

Sept. 11, 2001...............Thank you Mr. Clinton and the Liberal agenda...

No, thank you FBI for 9/11. It was that organization that disgarded information from an agent that terrorists were going to attack NYC on that date. Get your facts straight. And what's this about the "Liberal Agenda" being one that wishes to harm our nation? Where the hell are you getting this?

Enough said about security now and the 1990's

Well yes, if you're one to believe everything the Republican party says, and nothing that any other party says or does.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Silat
Elf you really ought to read a little more about UBL during the Clinton years. Like Bush he did what he could.

But the fact that you Bush Brown Shirts cant even look at the current administration on its own is very telling.    

There was a link in another thread to a very comprehensive timeline for 9-11. (I searched for it but couldnt find it, maybe someone else can find it) It went back years and years. At least 3 times Clinton had opportunites to approve military strikes to kill OBL and denied them. On multiple occassions the Sudanese offered their help with bin Laden, every time the Clinton administration turned them down.

Let's look at a *what if* shall we?

What if.....Clinton had ordered the strikes to kill OBL?

What if...one of the strikes was successful?

There is a very good chance that 9-11 would never have happened. With no 9-11 there is no war declared by the US on terrorism, no invasion of Afghanistan, no invasion of Iraq. Billions of dollars would have been saved, thousands of lives spared.

Silat, I am only going to say this once ever.....dont call me names if you wish to preserve our friendship. We can debate our views on this board all you want and it wont affect our friendship from my end unless you resort to name calling.

Also, your comments on squad channel about christians, I find them offensive. You see....I am one.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Fruda
If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.

...
 And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.

Who said that beggars can't be choosers?

They can actually demand that others feed them

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Fruda
Dodging the fact that George Bush Sr. had even bigger tax hikes is beyond me. Clinton helped us recover from the Bush presidency. And refund checks? We (my family) never got anything like that, nor has anybody I know.

Do you have any idea of how difficult it is to make it with only $245 a month for food? That's all that the government is giving us (3 people in my house) for my Dad's disabilities. If we didn't have people paying taxes, we wouldn't even have that $245 a month for food.

And my brother can't get a job, because if he did, the government would cut off our monthly food stamps (he'd also only be able to work at a place like Wal-Mart). And my dad can't work because he's really messed up from kidney and heart disease (among other things). And I'm sure as hell not gonna work at Jack In The Box for $6 an hour.

If we didn't have these taxes and government programs, we wouldn't have a house, a car, food, or clothes. Two people working at Wal-Mart and Jack In The Box won't pay for half of what we have.

And those service jobs aren't meaningless. They're good for the person who's starting out --- Somebody with a small apartment and not too many things. But I'm saying that those people who lost their office and manufacturing jobs are working in service jobs now, making far less money than they actually need.

Those jobs are meaningless to people who once had jobs that payed over $45,000 a year. Don't take something out of the original context just because you're pissed off for some odd reason.

Not sure what your situation is but,
$6 * 2000 hours per year assuming 40 hour weeks = $12,000 * 2 brothers = $24,000

$245 * 12 = $2,940

How is the $240 a month better than the $6/hour?????