Author Topic: New bombing (Read 1033 times)

GreenCloud · « **Reply #30 on:** November 21, 2004, 06:24:13 PM »

wow...

how can you feed yourself.....

If you follow dircections..any one could bom with the previous bom calibration.....and we did

now its bak to uber no skill hak boming....I dont really care..but I find it amazing peopel really couldnt figure it out..

btw I fly with a Saitek EVO..$40...love it

And if you cant hold your stik steady enuff to calibrate...How do you shoot down nme ftrs?..

Easyscor · « **Reply #31 on:** November 21, 2004, 06:30:04 PM »

Come on BGB, calm down there. S! all.

GreenCloud · « **Reply #32 on:** November 21, 2004, 06:42:37 PM »

That is defntly!! the reason why our AH Haks couldnt figure out the calibration..

YOU did not need to hold it steady the WHOLE TIME!!...after figuring that out..dam..it was wayyy easier..

That was the Problem..the Boming tutorials first posted never mentioned that need..or need not to..hold it steady the entire time.....Hell..who can do that>?..lolo

whels · « **Reply #33 on:** November 21, 2004, 07:12:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty

"performance in game is not a function of the price of your hardware"

I never said it was. I said that not everybody has perfectly functioning machines, can afford to pay $150 for a joystick and another $50 for a throttle unit and another $75 for rudder pedals. The main reason I did NOT fly warbirds was the damn joystick support was crap. One reason I can even FLY Aces High at all is the fact that joystick support is much more managable. Even so my stick only lets me do so much, and it spikes horribly on all axis' all the time, never stopping (and you can't deadband a 100% spike or you get full deadband, and no stick movement). It *IS* a fact that not everybody has an uber system, and it IS a fact that many many pilots have bad input devices (I've run across so many pilots that share my association with the Wingman joystick, and share my pain).

There is a very tangible benefit from having decent input equipment. This usually costs money. Lots of it. For those of us that are not extremists, we use what we already have til it breaks. I know for a fact I couldn't calibrate -- EVER -- on the "new" system. I think my joystick had some small part to play in that problem.

So no, performance is NOT the price of the equipment. But high priced equipment functions a HELL of a lot better than the equipment of the blue collar slob that's just flying for that thing, you know? That one thing, you may remember it. It's called FUN.

high priced game controlls wont make u better. might make it easier.

i fly, fight, tank, bomb, and gun with a $13 10 year old
Chproducts mach1 joystick. it has 2 buttons only, the rest i do on the keyboard. hell i dont even have pedals. if i want rudder i use the KB. views, flaps, ect.. all on KB.

old , new, and newest bomb calib i could/can pinpoint bomb.

so stop blaming equipment and LEARN how to bomb, instad of gaming it.

whels · « **Reply #34 on:** November 21, 2004, 07:16:07 PM »

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Originally posted by bozon
more bomb random scattering needed?
"Iron" GP bombs are 7-10m accurate with a modern CCIP sight in a dive. With a Norden sight from 20k level... well...

That's why carpet bombing was needed in the first place to hit something as big as a factory.

Bozon

from what ive read. in WW2 it took avg of 300 bombers to get a
hit on a single target. That was with them considering a hit, a bomb hitting within 300 yards of target.

whels

NoBaddy · « **Reply #35 on:** November 21, 2004, 07:44:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Easyscor
I would take it from your post you were not aware that you DO NOT need to TRACK the spot you're calibrating on for the whole time of calibration. Even if you get a spike in your stick, it makes no difference unless the spike occurs at the exact instant you press or release the calibration key. You can point the cross hairs at the moon and it wouldn't mater if they pointed at the same ground reference point when you release the key. Would it be tougher with a bad stick, sure, but no more so then trying to strafe ack or shoot someone down with a spiking stick.

Yep, I am completely aware of the process. You must be on the same spot when you press and when you release. With my controls, it was impossible (I didn't fall off the flak panzer yesterday...its been a couple of weeks and I'm feeling much better now. )

. I spent hours with HT trying to figure a workaround, with no success. At the latest convention, he finally got a look at my system and finally understood that with that method of calibration...my system simply could not do it.

Krusty · « **Reply #36 on:** November 21, 2004, 10:55:43 PM »

Exactly.

Despite Oct's continued and confounding attempts to talk about things rationally he yet again appears to have no idea of what logic and reason are.

"I prove it wrong simply by flying with what I have."

Don't be a tard, dude. It *IS* a fact that not everybody flies with expensive and/or high quality input devices. The fact that you fly with whatever-the-hell-you-fly-with supports my statement. It is NOT the case that everybody has the same setup. There is NOT economic equality amongst all. We do not live in a communist society where there is only one option when it comes to input devices. As such IT IS A FREAKING FACT that not everybody flies with expensive and/or high quality inputs. Don't you understand the English language? You're not making sense, and you continue to not make sense. Please don't respond to my posts unless you check your own logic and reason in favor of what the REST of the world calls logic and reason.

That's it. I'm done with this post. I get crap for trying to stand up for people who genuinely detest the departing calibration system for GOOD REASONS and I get all this **** thrown in my face by elitests who think they're better than other people. I am not a bomber dweeb. I never make low level bomb runs.. EVER. I have ALWAYS tried to bomb level. I'm not saying that I could ever HIT anyting with this departing calibration system, but that doesn't negate my point that the system was imperfect, and prevented some people from bombing.

I don't need this crap thrown at me by people who need to feel better about themselves so they throw out belittling blanket accusations that cover 90% of the AH community (*cough*Octavious*cough*)

Octavius · « **Reply #37 on:** November 22, 2004, 12:20:19 AM »

You misread, fired the big guns, and overshot your target big time Krustation. Take a deep breath and try leaving emotion at the door next time, mmkay sweety?

Lets go through this step by step, nice and slow, shall we? I'll even color it for you.

I said: [list=1]performance in game is not a function of the price of your hardware[/list][/color]
You said (quoting me): [list=1]I never said it was.[/list][/color]
To which I replied: [list=1]No, you said: "FACT, some people do NOT have the best most expensive hardware there is. I fly with a Wingman Extreme 3D (yes, I hear the groaning). Others fly with WORSE."

So WTF are you implying? That you like cream puffs? Either way, this point is moot. I prove it wrong simply by flying with what I have. [/b][/size][/list]
Your reply: [list=1]Don't be a tard, dude. It *IS* a fact that not everybody flies with expensive and/or high quality input devices. The fact that you fly with whatever-the-hell-you-fly-with supports my statement. [/list][/color]
Not sure why you continue on this rant when I agreed with you in the first place here:

You said: [list=1It *IS* a fact that not everybody has an uber system, and it IS a fact that many many pilots have bad input devices (I've run across so many pilots that share my association with the Wingman joystick, and share my pain).[/list]
I replied: [list=1]Congrats, you learned "fact."[/list][/b][/color]
If I damaged your feelings with my sarcasm, please accept my apologies. May I offer a tissue?

Well then. Meow that I pointed out your error in interpretation, that kind of takes the steam out of your insults, meow, doesn't it?

I have had my share of scheissy equipment, and I still fly with garbage... just upgraded versions of trash. Hell, Whels is still flying with what I started out in AH with! And he's doing a damn fine job with what he has.
Feel free to call me elitist all you want. The only elitists I see in this thread are subscribers. Subscribers who do not take kindly to freeloaders dictating what is easy, what is difficult, and what is 'dweeby'.

Try again and read Whels' post.

LePaul · « **Reply #38 on:** November 22, 2004, 08:33:24 PM »

Wow. Just Wow.

Oct, MiniD's debating tips are showing!

Octavius · « **Reply #39 on:** November 22, 2004, 09:36:48 PM »

You're his biggest fan aren't you?

Flayed1 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 23, 2004, 12:27:53 AM »

When I firs started playing AH I had a Wingman extream 3d and my little 500Mhz comp. I could bomb 90 to 95% of my targets fine with that stick. The only reason I stoped useing it was when the rudder started spikeing after 2 months and I had to go back to keyboard rudder but it still worked great for calibration, just sucked flying fighters witout a real rudder..
I am now useing a $30 Saitek cyborg 3d gold that is now 2 years old and still working like a charm for calibrations and right befor they changed modes I could nail my targets almost 100% unless I was being mobbed by fighters... tends to screw with calibration.

I'm not trying to get into an arguement here, I've already stated my opinion in some posts right after the change was made and Pyro answered and I for the most part just accepted that this is the way it will be. Although I don't seem to be able to miss at any alt now.
I just don't get the part of your posts about low end equipment being the reason you couldn't bomb right. You couldn't go much lower than the stuff I had and I even started out on AH2 with that 500Mhz comp and still managed to do it. Did I just happen to get some kind of wonder comp???

indy007 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 23, 2004, 08:58:14 AM »

The new calibrating is a double-edge'd sword. I like level bombing. I like it alot. I enjoy climbing to 20k+ and raining high explosive doom on enemy bases. However, I don't feel like the new calibration setup is challenging. Without the challenge of a good calibration, it's a really mundane flight. There's no skill involved anymore.

On the flipside, it's cool that more people can level bomb effeciently. I'm all for increasing the number of Buffs in the air (and giving me a reason to up a 3x20mm 109g10). I'm all for encouraging high level bombing over divebombing & NOE raids.

I just dunno if the good stuff outweighs the boredom it created for me.

edit: I do have to admit I dig the new calibration setup when flying Arado's. Makes it much easier not to waste all 3 of the bombs