Author Topic: conspiracy theory on history channel.. (Read 3408 times)

SLO · « **Reply #45 on:** November 25, 2004, 07:07:07 PM »

One things for sure though, it was a sad day when that man died...

SLO · « **Reply #46 on:** November 25, 2004, 07:26:05 PM »

JFK that is!!!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #47 on:** November 25, 2004, 07:34:03 PM »

Well, Oswald wasn't alone in the shooting, but he didn't work with anyone else if you catch my meaning.

JFK was not the silver star everyone thought he was. To finance his campaign he "Borrowed" a lot of money from the mafia. When he won and the mafia "Asked" for their money back, he said, "**** you!" So the mafia was after him too.

So, after JFK is dead, they catch Oswald. They send someone to kill oswald (Jack Ruby). So while we know that Oswald couldn't have possibly been the killer because of the gun, We know that the Mafia didn't kill JFK because they would have wanted to do it themselves. Instead they sent someone to punish the person who they thought killed JFK.

I don't think that Oswald was working for the Mafia, he was literally insane. Too much of a loose cannon to be hired by anyone with more than 2 brain cells.

So, in my mind, this leaves the CIA as the only one with a motive. JFK had in his hands the complete control over the Bay of Pigs. He decided to only send in Half the invasion force and would not support them at all which he promised he would. (As a side note: When the cuban invasion force was pretty much ****ed anyway, americans broke orders and tried to help them, but the damage was done anyway.) So many cubans died, not to mention some real soldiers and some CIA agents. All the blame was on JFK's lap. BAM! Motive!

**Edit: The best thing JFK ever did was to die.

Vulcan · « **Reply #48 on:** November 25, 2004, 08:01:25 PM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
Oswald was left handed. Laz, don't you operate the bolt action with your right hand? Now even if Oswald practiced alot with his right hand, he still wouldnt have been able to operate the rifle as fast as a normal right handed individual.

Incorrect, I'm left handed but prefer a right hand trigger, but I have a stronger left eye with my non-binocular vision. I can operate a bolt equally as fast in either hand. It just takes a little practise. So I can shoot left or right handed, with both eyes open.

SLO · « **Reply #49 on:** November 25, 2004, 08:19:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Incorrect, I'm left handed but prefer a right hand trigger, but I have a stronger left eye with my non-binocular vision. I can operate a bolt equally as fast in either hand. It just takes a little practise. So I can shoot left or right handed, with both eyes open.

3 shoots in 6.5 sec. on a moving target...with a cheap gun and Binocular.

SunTracker · « **Reply #50 on:** November 25, 2004, 08:27:24 PM »

Interesting stuff Vulcan. In the movie "JFK", I think they show Oswald operating the bolt with his left hand.

Nevertheless, I certainly could not fire 3 aimed shots in 6.5 seconds with a bolt action rifle without at least months of practice.

Vulcan · « **Reply #51 on:** November 25, 2004, 09:41:45 PM »

Go somewhere quiet, sit down,

say it yourself at an even pace

one thousand and one
one thousand and two
one thousand and three
one thousand and four
one thousand and five
one thousand and six
one thousand and seven

I'd certainly have to agree, 3 shots at a moving target in that timeframe, you'd have to be lucky, but then again its not impossible - in fact better odds than winning lotta and look how many people are happy with taking on those odds.

Shuckins · « **Reply #52 on:** November 25, 2004, 09:50:18 PM »

SLO,

Read my previous post. Oswald's feat has been duplicated, with the same gun, ammunition, and scope under the same conditions by expert police marksmen. If you haven't seen the special program that was on the History Channel you should. It is an eye-opener and completely debunks many of the junk theories so dear to the hearts of Oliver Stone and other conspiracy buffs. Viewers could SEE the officers duplicating the shot, and they did it more than once. The only problem was with the military surplus ammunition, which sometimes refused to fire. Police forensics, aided by modern computer technology, proved that Kennedy and Connelly were hit by the same bullet. When the program was over it left little room for doubt that Oswald was the only shooter, except for those who do not want to be convinced.

What so many conspiracy theorists conveniently forget is that Oswald served in the military and was a bonafide marksman there. He had training in the use of the bolt action rifle. He wasn't just some punk off the streets.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #53 on:** November 25, 2004, 09:54:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
What so many conspiracy theorists conveniently forget is that Oswald served in the military and was a bonafide marksman there. He had training in the use of the bolt action rifle. He wasn't just some punk off the streets.

Yep, he was a Marine and they stress marksmanship more than any of the other services...

Shuckins · « **Reply #54 on:** November 25, 2004, 10:04:48 PM »

Grun,

Have you ever seen this done? Take one Ruger #1 single shot rifle, falling block action. Hold two cartridges base first between the fingers of the left hand. Load one cartridge into the chamber. Fire one carefully aimed shot at a target, and then reload and fire with the two cartridges in the left hand as rapidly as possible.

With a little practice, you can beat an experienced marksman with a bolt action rifle in placing repeat shots on target. The falling block action eliminates the awkward rock-and-roll motion the shooter has to go through with a bolt action to fire follow-up shots. The Ruger remains firmly planted on the shoulder, sigts aligned with the eye.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 25, 2004, 10:28:08 PM »

He might have been a marksmen, but you still need a decent rifle to be able to do something.

Excel1 · « **Reply #56 on:** November 26, 2004, 04:18:52 AM »

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Originally posted by SLO
3 shoots in 6.5 sec. on a moving target...with a cheap gun and Binocular.

The doco I seen on the JFK asassination recently (English doco I think) said the three shots were fired in between 7 and 8 seconds not 6.5. They even had a guy demonsrtate that it was relativly easy to get 3 aimed shots off within that time with the type of rifle Oswald used.

The range from Oswald's position and JFK's car when he opened fire was only 88 yards. If the scope was zeroed prpoperly, that rifle did not have to be a tackholer to score hits at that range.

Oswald spent 3 years in the marines, he was a marksman in rapid fire with a rifle... it said so in the doco.

From an elevated rest he fired at target that was only 88 yards away, moving at a fairly slow and constant speed more or less directly away from himself.

I would be more amazed if he had missed

Excel

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #57 on:** November 26, 2004, 06:58:42 AM »

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Originally posted by SLO
Just no time to search, to busy at work, but your idea is pretty much what I'm thinking too...along those lines anyways

btw anyone know were the magic bullet was found?

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The bullet pulled off one more feat of physics as it rolled out of connallys leg and wound up on his strestcher at parkland hospital to be found by a doctor. The bullet was not found inside of his clothes. It rolled out of his wound and throught the pants, i assume through the bullet hole and wound up on his stretcher.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #58 on:** November 26, 2004, 07:02:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Go somewhere quiet, sit down,

say it yourself at an even pace

one thousand and one
one thousand and two
one thousand and three
one thousand and four
one thousand and five
one thousand and six
one thousand and seven

I'd certainly have to agree, 3 shots at a moving target in that timeframe, you'd have to be lucky, but then again its not impossible - in fact better odds than winning lotta and look how many people are happy with taking on those odds.

Quite true vulcan. i coould get t 3 shots off in 7 seconds. But could I get 8 wounds from them at that distance? Would I pass up the front head shot as the limo was coming toward the book depository? IS it possible ? Hell yes. But American patriots dont ask "is it possible?" They ask "is that what probably happened?"

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #59 on:** November 26, 2004, 07:10:13 AM »

Some more questions that need to be answered and facts that should come ou.

The only prints on the gun were a 1 palm print from oswalds hand. There is no mention of gloves found, but perhaps he could have got the rifle out of the bag and then put gloves on.

Nitrate tests on oswalds hands showed he hadnt fired a gun within the last 24 hours. (Why wasnt this issue addressed by the "official investigators"?). Again, the simple conclusion is that he wore gloves, but why are we, the bewildered public left to speculate? And why werent they found, he didnt have time to hide them anywhere not on a bee line path from the book store to his house to the movie theatre.

THE SAME TYPE OF BULLET THAT SHATTERED CONNALLYS RIB AND BLASTED THROUGH HIS WRISTBONE TO LODGE IN IS LEG IN RELATIVE GREAT CONDITION WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED, EVAPORATED, PASSING THROUGH APPROXAMATELY 1/4" OF THE BONE IN KENNEDYS HEAD.

Why were the performance of the bullets so different? Again, the catch all phrase, 'bullets do strange things' is the bail out of the gobblers of the 'official story'. American Patriots demand to know "what probably happend", not "since strange things do happen, we are not to question our 'officials'." If none of us questioned our officials, you would see some real strange sht happen.

Do you realize that Oswald was arrested in the movie theatre for 'not paying for his ticket!'. The entire police force of dallas was dispatched to the movie theatre at a time when the president of the US was dying from a assassins bullet, to get some guy who didnt pay for his ticket? Lucky it just haoppend to be the guy who shot the president.

Maybe Oswald was part of the ring and was double crossed by Rubys bullet, maybe he believed he was a secret agent and was just doing as he was told in order to be the unknowing patsy, (bring a packeage in to the book store, wait in the lunch room for a phone call, etc.), or maybe he actually fired from the 6th floor.
Maybe the majic bullet actually did what they say it did.
I watch the zapruder film and I can plainly see, the bullet hit from the fron right, at about 2 oclk, the pieces of head slpatted in every direction except to the cone of fire, and the head learched to the back left, as the laws of physics would dictate from a front-right shot. I firmly believe in the laws of physics and my own eyes. I am not alone. If you watch the zapruder film and see something different and choose to side with the 'officials', then God bless. Like I said, as long as you use your own senses to draw your own conclusions, we can have a good healthy argument.