Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School: Contains "God"

[J_A_B]

"No faith = bad intentions to others."

Huh?

BS detector going off!

J_A_B

[Nash]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Let me ask you this, if the Decleration was banned in  this school  because of the presence of the word "god" would you be in agreement with this act?

Yes or No?  Please clear up any confusion I migh have wrt to your views here.

Let me put it this way for you Grun.... Ripsnort was the only guy who used the word "banned".

Re-read the story with that in mind, and try and see if you can figure out why it would be that the principal, who rejected his inclusion of the DoI in his (particular, as far as we know) lesson plan, has asked to review his lesson plans prior to him giving them in the first place.

Maybe this is a good lesson plan for parsing the media, and parsing the dipsnort-like framing of media bites.

[GRUNHERZ]

This is not a discussion about the merits of religion vs atheism.

This is a discussion about the decision of one AMERICAN school to deny its students the chance to study the Decleration of Independance because it mentions the word "God" a single time.

If you want to discuss  other things, feel free to start a new thread.

[SLO]

I don't believe in God, so do many others, the DoI was written a long time ago, maybe you can switch a few words and get with the program...

teach history yes...no need to preach it.

[GRUNHERZ]

Why dont you just answer the question Nash?

Is that so hard? Can you just state your support for or opposition to barring the Decleration from these classrooms because it contains the word "God?"

Even if we entertain your ideas, why not just tell the teacher eliminate inapproriate texts from his study plan but leave the Declearation?

So again, just answer the question I asked you.

Can you just state your support for or opposition to barring the Decleration from these classrooms because it contains the word "God?"

[Nash]

uh.... yeah, Grun. That's kinda what I was gettin' at. I dunno where you saw religion vs atheism in my post.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by SLO
I don't believe in God, so do many others, the DoI was written a long time ago, maybe you can switch a few words and get with the program...

teach history yes...no need to preach it.

You want original historical documents, meaning NOT LAWS, altered merely to match current political whims and attitudes?

Whats next SLO, airbrushing out discredited/liquidated political figures from historical photographs?

Thats insane....

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Nash
uh.... yeah, Grun. That's kinda what I was gettin' at. I dunno where you saw religion vs atheism in my post.

Not your post Nash, the other ones that got into the morality of religion etc...

[Nash]

Grun I am going to try to sneak this in fast before you get any more drunk, which usually happens at about this point in the night, whereby your grip on anything approaching coherence slackens in opposite and direct proportion to the the vehemence with which you begin to shout your misdirected point of view.

The school didn't ban the DoI. Only Ripsnort said "banned".

The school removed the DoI from this instructor's lesson plans. Amongst other things. Maybe in his lesson plans, the DoI resided as a single sheet of paper in an enormous stack of religious books. Perhaps that explains why the principal had to go through the trouble of singling him out and requesting him to submit his lesson plans prior to him giving them. So the principal simply chucked that stack out. Yet, OH NO THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE HAS BEEN BANNED.

[SLO]

Wanna read the DoI, go to a Library or search the Net, no need to preach it Grun, you understand the difference right...

Original or not Grun, it was always the IDEA that counted, never the words.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Nash

Maybe in his leson plans, the DoI resided as a single sheet of paper in an enormous stack of religious books. And the principle simply chucked that stack out. Yet, OH NO THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE HAS BEEN BANNED.

That's just ridicuous to the extreme, Nath...

[Nash]

Oh?

Out of everything that the DoI is about, his attourney felt the need to say, "It's a fact of American history that our founders were religious men, and to hide this fact from young fifth-graders in the name of political correctness is outrageous and shameful," said Williams' attorney, Terry Thompson."

Now... For what purpose do you think the teacher was using the DoI for?

Why would his lawyer say that out of all the things he could have said about the teacher's use of the DoI in his lessons?

Why would his principal take the unusual step of asking for the teacher's lesson plans starting back in May?

Do you really think that the principal suspected that he may have been teaching Math wrong, requested his teaching plans, saw the DoI, and tossed it?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by SLO
Wanna read the DoI, go to a Library or search the Net, no need to preach it Grun, you understand the difference right...

Original or not Grun, it was always the IDEA that counted, never the words.

Preach it? So handing out the Decleration for study in a 5th grade classroom now preaching?  

Its just the idea and not the words??? WORDS ARE IDEAS..  The words are important, they are how this document survies, how it is transmitted through the ages. They are how the idea survives.

You are letting your hatred of the word "God" transform you into some sort of Salinist era revisionist who eliminates uudesirable facts from the historic record. That is exacvtly what you are advocating here.

Sick!

[GRUNHERZ]

By this article he appears to be a history teacher, but feel free to assume all sorts of wonderful "Maybe this, Maybe that" scenarious to defend and mitigate this outrage Nash...

And you still have not answered the question...

[SLO]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You are letting your hatred of the word "God" transform you into some sort of Salinist era revisionist who eliminates uudesirable facts from the historic record. That is exacvtly what you are advocating here.

Sick!

A classification huh Grun, come now, I hope to hiccup!! god you're not serious:rofl