Author Topic: So who owes who here ??? (Read 1058 times)

Sparks · « **on:** November 25, 2004, 08:50:11 PM »

After I've read another "If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German" thread and how we should all be grateful etc etc I came across some bits about the US national debt.

Well actually folks the US owes us all a fair bit actually - As it is the US national debt stands at roughly $25,000 per person and around 22% of that is owed abroad (thats where foreign countries have lent the US money so they can pay the welfare bills, buy weapons etc) - that comes down to around $5800 that each and every person in the US owes abroad.

The US is having to borrow another $800 million to pay its day to day bills and much of that will come from abroad - eeven China and South Korea .

Not forgetting the slide of the dollar so the risk in lending this money is considerable.

So before anyone else starts another "you owe your freedom to us" spout then maybe you should consider who you owe your standard of living to at the moment ............................

Let's just call it quits.

Arlo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2004, 08:52:23 PM »

I live in a van by the river. Thank you so gorram much.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2004, 09:00:31 PM »

Look at it this way.

We could owe it to ya all in Reichmarks..or Rubels:D

Sparks · « **Reply #3 on:** November 25, 2004, 09:08:32 PM »

LOL Dred

As I said - honors even.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 25, 2004, 10:25:15 PM »

Well, considering that freedom is priceless, I say America is owed all around no matter what.

However, since we are such nice guys, we'll pay back the debt.

Btw, I suggest you look up how we borrow money. We don't just go to china and say, "Hey man, can I borrow 50 bucks?"

Staga · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2004, 01:39:19 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184

Btw, I suggest you look up how we borrow money. We don't just go to china and say, "Hey man, can I borrow 50 bucks?"

Yep, you go to the China and say "Hey man, can I borrow 50 bucks? I pay you 60 back"

Swoop · « **Reply #6 on:** November 26, 2004, 01:47:56 AM »

Really? They pay 20% interest?

Daaaamn.

Any yanks wanna borrow some money off me?

SOB · « **Reply #7 on:** November 26, 2004, 02:24:23 AM »

Congrats, you created a thread that's as stupid as what you're railing against. I hope that was the intent.

Sparks · « **Reply #8 on:** November 26, 2004, 03:02:06 AM »

Lasersailor you're right - you don't just ask for 50 bucks you actually issue things called Treasury bonds which are basically an IOU with interest. And I made a mistake it's not $800 million it's BILLION.

If you value freedom so highly why do you prostitute yourself to the likes of China - you know - the guys who captured a Navy plane and crew of yours, held them and sent the plane back in boxes. China holds billions of dollars of bonds. The same Chinese who shot thousands in Tianamen square for demonstrating.

And just when are you "nice guys" going to pay back this debt?? - Well maybe not you - maybe your kids..........

It may look real rosey now but I wonder what your taxes and education and military budgets would look like if you DIDN'T get the $800 billion you need AND had to run a balanced budget AND had to reduce the debt.

SOB - woo hoo - touched a nerve there or not had your coffee yet??

I'm just sick of this constant assertion that we owe the US everything when in fact the US government has the biggest VISA bill on the planet funded in large part by others.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2004, 03:36:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Sparks
And just when are you "nice guys" going to pay back this debt?? [/B]

I pay installments annualy in Mexico in a lump sum payment.
Conchita can distribute it out any way she sees fit.

SOB · « **Reply #10 on:** November 26, 2004, 08:30:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Sparks
SOB - woo hoo - touched a nerve there or not had your coffee yet??

Ah, I guess that means it wasn't intentional. That's unfortunate. I don't drink coffee, and I don't need to feel offended to point out the irony of your thread. Frankly, I take you about as seriously as any of the idiots who jump at the chance to point out that Europeans somehow owe us something because we "saved you from the Germans" in WWII.

Saintaw · « **Reply #11 on:** November 26, 2004, 09:34:33 AM »

Lemmegetthisstraight: I don't owe you sh*t, nothing, nada, zilch.

I owe a big thank (and more) you to your grand-dads (in some cases dads or uncles) but I doubt any of you(*) were actualy on Omaha beach. so STOP shoving it into my nose it doesn't make sense.

A big to the guys that were there.
A big to the guys whio are trying to steal/take the credit from them.

* - Maybe Hangtime or Skuzzy were old enough to have been there... this does not apply to them in this case.

Staga · « **Reply #12 on:** November 26, 2004, 09:59:19 AM »

Being "old farts" doesn't necessarily mean they were participating WW2.

Saintaw · « **Reply #13 on:** November 26, 2004, 10:01:40 AM »

Shaddap you Hiirvy Molko (sp?)

Arlo · « **Reply #14 on:** November 26, 2004, 12:30:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
Lemmegetthisstraight: I don't owe you sh*t, nothing, nada, zilch.

I owe a big thank (and more) you to your grand-dads (in some cases dads or uncles) but I doubt any of you(*) were actualy on Omaha beach. so STOP shoving it into my nose it doesn't make sense.

A big to the guys that were there.
A big to the guys whio are trying to steal/take the credit from them.

Well there ya go. Camraderie across the pond and a feeling of united kinship need not live past the greatest generation. It can die off with them. Besides, the era of "super-powers" made it all obsolete. And perhaps the age of terrorism will take it's place. Through it all we can manage to feel a bit of resentment at those former allies we've decided either present a threat to our security or wallet. Lord knows we sure don't need them at our side anymore. Saving face cuts both ways, it seems ... literally.