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Offline Wolf14

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Looking at trying AMD...
« on: November 27, 2004, 03:01:59 PM »
I am thinking of putting together myself a new computer using an AMD processor. Thing is I don't know much about AMD stuff.

Can any of you AMD guys recomend a good motherboard/ cpu combo?

I am looking for a good combo that has good high end specs in a stock set-up but will also let me overclock if I decide to play around.

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Re: Looking at trying AMD...
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 03:23:41 PM »
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Originally posted by Wolf14
I am thinking of putting together myself a new computer using an AMD processor. Thing is I don't know much about AMD stuff.

Can any of you AMD guys recomend a good motherboard/ cpu combo?

I am looking for a good combo that has good high end specs in a stock set-up but will also let me overclock if I decide to play around.


How much do you intend to spend?


How close do you intend to be to "state of the art" or "cutting edge"?

In otherwords, are you looking at spending $200+ just for an AMD 64 CPU?

Or are you looking at a regular Athlon (like a Barton for example) CPU?
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2004, 03:36:03 PM »
Yes, we need to know what you have now, how much you plan on spending and self build or box system.  BTW...as fast as todays processors are, theres not much reason to OC....but to each his own

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2004, 04:02:19 PM »
I'm thinking of going with the regular cpu not the 64.

As far as budget goes Im looking at somewhere between 400-500 for the cpu/ mb combo. Case, powersupply, and other stuff I'll either salvage from existing system or buy from various parts houses. But like I said I'm not familiar at all with AMD so I was looking at what cpu would be comparable to the Intel 3.2+ 800mghz or the other HT compatible chips.

As to what I have now is a 2.26ghz D845GBV combo with 512 megs ram and an ATI9000 Pro.

As far as overclocking goes its not important but if it was something I wanted to mess with I wanted my cpu/mb to allow my to do that without a lot of grief.  Hell I guess the underlying thing of it all is that I am looking for a combo that will be really stable and allow me to expand with newer cpu's without having to buy a new motherboard everytime.

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2004, 04:14:10 PM »
Athlon 64 cpus have tons of horsepower... on a 64bit OS they are screamers.  you can get an athlon 64 cpu and mb combo starting below 225 at newegg....   or  a socket 939 combo starting at about 260.. thise are really fast... wish i had one!

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2004, 04:31:50 PM »
Spend the extra and get a 90nm socket 939 Athlon64.  At this point buying a regular athlon XP or sempron cpu is pretty much just investing in old technology, and a good way to waste money.  The athlon64 is only $60-100ish more than a Barton cpu and the motherboards aren't overpriced either.  Check http://www.newegg.com.  I like the msi K8N neo2 platinum motherboard (nvidia based) for only $110, and either the athlon64 3000+ for $149 or the 3200+ for $185.  Add on a gig of either nice OCZ memory (expensive) or regular crucial.com memory (high quality but not uber expensive) for 2x $89.99 (2 sticks of 512 pc3200 DDR) and you're in business.

$110
$185
$180
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$475

Toss in a thermalright heatsink and you're set, or spend the extra $20 and get the retail cpu instead of the OEM one and just use the mediocre AMD supplied heatsink and hope your case has enough airflow.  The all copper thermalright heatsinks are the best air cooling solutions I've ever seen without exception, but they are very heavy.  The thermalright aluminum ones also use heatpipes and cool almost as well as the copper ones but they weigh about 1/3 the copper ones so they're more hardware friendly.  They all allow you to pick any type or size of fan you like, so you can get a good speed adjustable fan and turn the fan down for web browsing and up for gaming to keep the noise under control during normal use.

Don't forget a good power supply. I recently got a thermaltake silent purepower 480 for $55 at newegg.  It has a fan speed adjustment knob that can go either in a front plate or backplate, and it's enough power for most mainstream gaming rigs.  You don't really need 500+ watts unless you plan on adding in several hard drives plus one of the newest vid cards plus overclocking your cpu.

I just dropped $400 on an Nvidia 6800GT and it overclocks up to 6800 Ultra speeds pretty easily for $200 less.  It's a bit overkill for AH2 but it would be a great match for an athlon64 gaming rig.  Alternately, consider a regular nvidia 6800 or 6600GT for somewhere between $200 and $250.

That's what I'd get, and this is pretty much the parts list I've been considering for my own rig.  I'd probably get the more expensive OCZ memory to allow for some overclocking overhead on the memory speed.  OCZ platinum memory is nice and extremely fast, but it costs almost twice what the normal or value stuff costs.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2004, 05:47:27 PM »
I concure, an Athlon 3000+ or whatever is pretty dated, and for not much more you can get a huge preformace increase.  Athlon 64 is the way to go, and if you can swing it, the new 939 socket:aok

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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2004, 09:37:01 PM »
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I'm thinking of going with the regular cpu not the 64.

As far as budget goes Im looking at somewhere between 400-500 for the cpu/ mb combo. Case, powersupply, and other stuff I'll either salvage from existing system or buy from various parts houses. But like I said I'm not familiar at all with AMD so I was looking at what cpu would be comparable to the Intel 3.2+ 800mghz or the other HT compatible chips.

As to what I have now is a 2.26ghz D845GBV combo with 512 megs ram and an ATI9000 Pro.

As far as overclocking goes its not important but if it was something I wanted to mess with I wanted my cpu/mb to allow my to do that without a lot of grief.  Hell I guess the underlying thing of it all is that I am looking for a combo that will be really stable and allow me to expand with newer cpu's without having to buy a new motherboard everytime.


My Barton 2500+ and Soltek SL-75FRN-RL2 was under $200. It is exceptionally stable, even pumped WAY up. I'm running it at Barton 3000+ levels, and it benchmarks equivalent to a PIV 3.2.

While I can see the point in not spending money on dated technology, I really can't justify the current prices on real quality level AMD 64 stuff.

However, with a budget of $400 or more, you can go Athlon 64. I'd go 939 as well. I just haven't seen a motherboard I like.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2004, 02:24:25 AM »
For sure you need to fork out the tad extra and get 90nm 939 pin chip.  As far as the motherboard goes, you can either get a mature board with a via or nfroce3 chipset or you could try and get a Nfroce 4 chipset board.  From what I see the nforce4 boards are going to get the performance title back from via, but I personally buy boards based on via up to date.  Get two sticks of PC3200.

I highly recomment newegg.com as an online supplier.  They do not always have the lowest price but they usually have very good shipping and their customer service is top notch should you need to use it.  I buy EVERYTHING that I buy online from newegg.

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2004, 02:58:53 AM »
I have to agree with the gang...  939pin amd 64 is gonna give you the most upgrade ability out of all the current systems.

you would probly gain the most from just a video card upgrade as of right now .

the now older bartons are getting replaced by the semprons and becoming workstation type pc's .
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2004, 07:54:23 AM »
they have conflicts i have amd 2600 via chipset and i had
sb audigy z2 fps were awlfull did some reading found
that they have conflicts so.............i bought and old
yamaha dsxg sound card for 3 bucks on ebay
problem fixed i get steady 100 to 150 fps
just thought id share this info

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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2004, 08:30:21 AM »
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For the money I wouldnt pass up the AMD64.


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1133509&CatId=1683


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1160416&CatId=1683

These seem like a good place to start.




Slash has given you best deal out there. Tiger directs system is exactly what I just brought. and wish now I waited for this. I got the asus a8v 939 mother board and 3400 64bit amd cpu  I thought my cost of under 300 was good. This you get alot more.



 Frame rates for old system  1.8 p4  5900 gf  on a 4agp board  with pc2100 memory 1gig were around 30 to 40 depending map.  Now using 3400 and asus mb 939  with new pc3500 memory 1 gig frame rates steady 85 to 140 depending map.






 So buying this barebones not bad idea for 299 dollars you get alot more than I did for same price.  PS building computer from bare bones is way easy. I'm a old fart computer dork and built my works fine.


   ! note tho You may want to get new HD  Am told when you use old hd with intel was on then use amd 64 bit you can have problems..  New hd 8mb cache are now about 50 bucks.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2004, 08:44:29 AM »
I would wait until next month when the new Athlon64 motherboards that will include SLI technology appear, especially if you are intending to upgrade your graphics processor.  Then you can purchase a PCI-E card and have the opportunity to purchase a second (if you buy a 6600 or above card) 6 months from now for very cheap and run them together for cutting edge speed for less money.  Plus the board will have all of the newer connections and components that will insure easy upgrades in the future.  You really can't beat the Athlon64 setups for the power/cost ration that they offer.  Plus AMD is releasing some lower end 939 pin chips for very cheap that you may want to start with, then upgrade when the expensive ones drop in the future.  Just my 2 cents.  

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