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Creamo · « **Reply #15 on:** November 28, 2004, 07:43:49 PM »

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Originally posted by EN4CER
CREAMO And your choice would be ............?

Peyton Manning is a destined Hall of Famer and deserves seat in the Top 5 and currently I put him at #1 - IMO.

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killnu · « **Reply #16 on:** November 28, 2004, 07:54:46 PM »

nobody mentioned Bradshaw?

tapakeg · « **Reply #17 on:** November 29, 2004, 12:58:08 AM »

Winning a super bowl has nothing to do when comparing 2 quarterbacks based upon pure talent, abilities, and numbers they put up. Winning a super bowl does factor in when comparing 2 TEAMS. IMHO having a quarterback who does put up impressive numbers on a average or sub-average teams is more of a credit to him. Think about if Jerry Rice would have been drafted to another team, would we be talking so much about Joe Montana as much? Vice versa? Kansas City has the best O-line in football and one of the best blocking fullbacks in the game. I am a HUGE KC fan, and I don't want to discredit Priest Holmes a bit, but the fact of the o-line, the blocking fullback, and the passing threat of the overall team factors in heavily into the records he has. Put him (healthy) on the 49ers right now and they will BOTH go nowhere.
It is too easy to be an armchair quarterback and discredit Marino, Kelly, and others who did not win the super bowl. Who would you rather have on your team, Dilfer or Marino-Kelly ( in their prime)

Winning a super bowl usually is a factor of a great quarterback, but too many other options factor in.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:09:27 AM »

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rpm · « **Reply #19 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:25:27 AM »

OK, I missed it. I was having an NFL free zone today. Did someone lay out Owens?

If winning the "big one" is all that matters, does that mean Aikman was one of the greatest to ever play the game? Certainly it makes him twice as good as Unitas? No, not by a long shot. Championships are won by great TEAMS, not great PLAYERS.

If I had to rank the top 5 modern QB's:
5. Peyton Manning
4. Warren Moon
3. Dan Marino
2. John Elway
1. Joe Montana

Steve · « **Reply #20 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:25:50 AM »

Montana did fine AND won super bowls before Rice was around.

Steve · « **Reply #21 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:26:27 AM »

Warren Moon over Brett Favre?

Rofl

rpm · « **Reply #22 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:28:25 AM »

Favre might crack the top 10. Certainly not better than Moon. Moon took some pretty pitiful teams to the title game.

Fruda · « **Reply #23 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:29:40 AM »

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Originally posted by EN4CER
CREAMO And your choice would be ............?

Peyton Manning is a destined Hall of Famer and deserves seat in the Top 5 and currently I put him at #1 - IMO.

You've gotta be kidding me, man. Top 5? No.

It's his offense. He's not an outstanding/unbelievable field general like Marino was. Marino had to stick with static plays made by the coach --- yeah, he could audible at the line, but he couldn't make his own plays. Manning is allowed to do so (just like Bradshaw, but Bradshaw could do that because he was too stupid to learn a playbook).

Just look at Timmy Chang (Hawaii). He has the perfect passing offense, but he's a just plain average Quarterback. He has a relatively poor release. Quick as it is, it's spastic. Manning has a poor release that looks much like Johnny Unitas' release.

Let's not forget pressure situations! Manning can't do a damn thing under pressure. He gets happy feet whenever there's a blitz, and a sack is usually a given. Was it that way with Marino? No. It was an accomplishment to sack Marino, because he had very good footwork and agility, even though he was as slow an average high school player.

Put 27-year-old Marino on Manning's Colts. I guarantee you that Marino would easily have better stats than Peyton.

rpm · « **Reply #24 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:33:42 AM »

Did you forget about Marino's bum leg? He was about as mobile as a D-9 Caterpillar with a busted track.

Steve · « **Reply #25 on:** November 29, 2004, 01:51:26 AM »

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Favre might crack the top 10. Certainly not better than Moon. Moon took some pretty pitiful teams to the title game.

Lol you're as whacky about football as you are about politics.

Sixpence · « **Reply #26 on:** November 29, 2004, 02:18:36 AM »

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Originally posted by EN4CER
And your choice would be ............?

Well, putting aside all the stats, if I was to pick a QB who was best in his prime, and had all the tools, that would be Steve Young. Never did I think a QB could complete over 70% of his passes. On top of all his skills, he could run the ball very well, one of the best at it. I have watched Elway, Marino, Montana, etc., but watching Steve Young was something to see. Those couple of years with the 49ers were the best I ever saw.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 29, 2004, 02:54:16 AM »

Young was the best I ever saw. If he hadn't started out late due to the USFL and Joe Montana, and finished early due to a concussion, you wouldn't even be talking about these other guys.

rpm · « **Reply #28 on:** November 29, 2004, 02:54:35 AM »

Steve Young was very good. Unfortunately, he had to wait behind Montana for a good chunk of his career.

Steve, I don't have a mancrush on Favre like you and Cheeseheads, Inc. He's OK, but no Top 5 or 10. He falls somewhere between Jim Plunkett and Kenny Stabler on the all time list.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #29 on:** November 29, 2004, 07:30:58 AM »

With only 6 years experiance I'd say its a bit early to label anyone as "the best ever".

How great someone is should be measured by the sum of their carreer and not just half of it.

While very very talented QB
Manning has a long way to go before he can be fairly compaired to the Elways, the Marinos,the Montanas and the Starbucks just to name a few.

And while many of these guys never called their own plays, These QB still had to lead their team by throwing to the right people.