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[Pongo]

Dreidock.
The man has been MVP of the league. He is on track to score the most touchdowns in a season by a considerable margin. He has been a starter since the first game after the draft he was picked in. He has started every game since he was drafted I think. 6 years. In a league without Farve it is Mannings longevity that would be the amazing story. Hes at 120 games or something.

I presented you with one of the greatest if not the greatest late game combacks in history against the superbowl champions sporting one of the most dominant defenses of their generation.. A game that started the absolute slide of that team.

You asked.

Manning is not one of the top 10 quarterbacks in history. He is one of the top 3 in skill. But superbowls do matter. Without one he will never be fully recognised.

[B17Skull12]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS

are a long lost hope.

[Airhead]

Manning is a studmuffin.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by rpm
Dan Fouts, Archie Manning, Dan Pastorini all great QB's that were hamstrung by bad teams. Gotta throw George Blanda in the list somewhere. The man was a machine.

I was wondering when someone was going to mention Dan Fouts. He had some monster games with the Chargers.

"Air Coryel" was fun to watch.

[Dune]

Jim Plunket (the man could win the big game)

Bart Starr (QB'ed some of the best teams to play the game)

Kenny Stabler (a winner.  Always dangerous.  Would've won more than just one if they hadn't been playing at the same time as the Steelers)

Jim Kelly (hell of a QB, but suffers from Tarkantonitis)

Troy Aikman (had a great D, but so did Bradshaw.  Had talented supporting cast, but so did most of these guys.  You don't win three Super Bowls and not be damn good)

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Dune
Jim Plunket (the man could win the big game)

Bart Starr (QB'ed some of the best teams to play the game)

Kenny Stabler (a winner.  Always dangerous.  Would've won more than just one if they hadn't been playing at the same time as the Steelers)

Jim Kelly (hell of a QB, but suffers from Tarkantonitis)

Troy Aikman (had a great D, but so did Bradshaw.  Had talented supporting cast, but so did most of these guys.  You don't win three Super Bowls and not be damn good)

Are you freakin KIDDING me?!?

Jim Plunkett completed less than 50% of his passes careerwise, and in his two Super Bowl wins he was surrounded by great talent.

Bart Starr was on the best team in football and was no better than third or fourth among QBs for his day- Unitas, Jourgensen, Gabriel, Tarkenton were all better, and Tittle was as good.

Kenny Stabler isn't in the Hall of Fame, nor will he ever be- he threw more INTs than TDs, but that was partly because he threw games and shaved points to support his extravigant lifestyle and cocaine habit. He could have been better.

Jim Kelly is the biggest choke artist there's been since Linda Lovelace. You look at every Buffalo Super Bowl loss and you'll see it's because of Jim Kelly. He always fumbled, always threw that interception that cost the Bills victory. I'd respect him more if he'd have thrown all those Super Bowls because he had a drug habit- instead he choked because he sucks.

Troy Aikman had a good run, but Troy Aikman is mentally retarded. He DID have a committed owner willing to open his checkbook, a Hall of Fame running back, a Hall of Fame wideout, and a great coach who could explain the X's and O's of football so that even Troy could understand, but his career was short due to shots to the head- he never had much to give up to begin with, and today the poor bastard can't even tie his own shoes.

In short, Dune, you don't know beans about great quarterbacks, do you? Great quarterbacks are guys like Otto Graham- Sammy Baugh- Johnny Unitas- not that list of freakin losers YOU posted.

I suggest that in the future when us men gather here to discuss sports, cigars, firearms or whiskey you listen instead of throwing out your Annie Green Springs comments. Your list really pisses me off.

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by Airhead
Are you freakin KIDDING me?!?

Jim Plunkett completed less than 50% of his passes careerwise, and in his two Super Bowl wins he was surrounded by great talent.

Bart Starr was on the best team in football and was no better than third or fourth among QBs for his day- Unitas, Jourgensen, Gabriel, Tarkenton were all better, and Tittle was as good.

Kenny Stabler isn't in the Hall of Fame, nor will he ever be- he threw more INTs than TDs, but that was partly because he threw games and shaved points to support his extravigant lifestyle and cocaine habit. He could have been better.

Jim Kelly is the biggest choke artist there's been since Linda Lovelace. You look at every Buffalo Super Bowl loss and you'll see it's because of Jim Kelly. He always fumbled, always threw that interception that cost the Bills victory. I'd respect him more if he'd have thrown all those Super Bowls because he had a drug habit- instead he choked because he sucks.

Troy Aikman had a good run, but Troy Aikman is mentally retarded. He DID have a committed owner willing to open his checkbook, a Hall of Fame running back, a Hall of Fame wideout, and a great coach who could explain the X's and O's of football so that even Troy could understand, but his career was short due to shots to the head- he never had much to give up to begin with, and today the poor bastard can't even tie his own shoes.

In short, Dune, you don't know beans about great quarterbacks, do you? Great quarterbacks are guys like Otto Graham- Sammy Baugh- Johnny Unitas- not that list of freakin losers YOU posted.

I suggest that in the future when us men gather here to discuss sports, cigars, firearms or whiskey you listen instead of throwing out your Annie Green Springs comments. Your list really pisses me off.

I think someone needs a hug.....


Heres another thing to think about, listening to sports raido this morning and they were asking what was more impressive, Favre or Ripkens streaks. Personally I think its like comparing apples and oranges you cant compare those two, they were both amazing and both are great players.

[Dune]

Airhead's just grumpy.  Probably od'ed on Metamucil or something.  

Look up in the thread you silly bugger.  Those guys were add-ons of other QB's.  My choices would be Unitas, Staubach, Montana and Bradshaw.  

Jurgonson?  As in Sonny "I weigh 400 pounds and could eat a small child if you gave me enough beer" Jurgonson?    

ttttthhhhhbbbttttt!!!

[RTStuka]

Another Marino record bites the dust, favre has thrown 20 or more TDs in 11 or more seasons. I gotta feel bad for this guy, he is getting tore up this year. So far Brett has broken 2 of his records and payton has at least 1 I believe and is on the verge of breaking another. But it shows how great he was to have held all of those titles for as long as he did. You know what they say records are made to be broken.

[rpm]

Airhead is just sore about nobody mentioning his mancrush Joe "Snap" Theisman.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by EN4CER
CREAMO And your choice would be ............?

Peyton Manning is a destined Hall of Famer and deserves seat in the Top 5 and currently I put him at #1 - IMO.

Let's see, I'm a Tennessee Volunteers fan.  Whilst he broke most of the Records in the SEC, what would be my one knock on him?  This one knock is like the black cat that keeps on following you.  

What is it you ask?  The INABILITY to win the big game.  He could never beat Florida, and has ALWAYS been lopsided in the passing game.  He is not the Best in the Game.  Tom Brady would have to keep the #1 ranking.  It it pains to NOT vote for the Vols / Colt.

Karaya