Author Topic: Sudz or other HTC folks, a few notes on Bf109 shell ejection details (Read 3265 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **on:** December 01, 2004, 09:35:56 AM »

Hello,

I'm glad to hear this will be added soon. I thought it would be good idea to duble check that the 109s get the correct shell ejection schemes because they were kind of complicated as to which models had it or not.

Here is the list:

1) Bf109E-4

Not 100% sure if the wing mounted 20mm MG-FF have it but I think they do because there are holes on the underside by the guns (can somebody confirm this?), definitely none for the cowl guns.

2) Bf109F-4 and Bf109G-2

Only from add-on gunpods, none for the cowl guns and engine mounted MG151 20mm.

3) Bf109G-6 and Bf109G-10

Add-on Gunpods, 2 for MG131 in cowl, none for engine mounted MG151 20mm or MK108 30mm*.

* The Bf109K-4 introduced shell ejection for the MK108 30mm but this was not featured on the Bf109G models with this cannon.

Hope this helps.

Maybe other guys can add in info for planes they know about that migh have complicated shell case ejection differences too?

Pongo · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2004, 10:31:46 AM »

Are you sure there was no ejector for the engine guns on the 109s? I am pretty sure there are.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2004, 11:04:01 AM »

Pongo, there were no ejectors for the engine cannon until K4 added one for its MK108 30mm.

Some of the G series had the engine mounted MK108 30mm, but they did not have shell ejectors for it.

The engine MG151/20 always dropped its spent cases into a box across all 109 models so armed.

The ejector in the picture above is one of two for the cowl MG131 13mm guns, the other one is on the same panel but just hidden from view here by the DT.

bunch · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2004, 01:35:57 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
...The engine MG151/20 always dropped its spent cases into a box across all 109 models so armed...

Do you know what the logic was behind this? For recycling? If so, it's good to see a right wing goverment throwing a bone across to the other side of the aisle ( LOL, J/K )

Guppy35 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2004, 01:57:39 PM »

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Originally posted by bunch
Do you know what the logic was behind this? For recycling? If so, it's good to see a right wing goverment throwing a bone across to the other side of the aisle ( LOL, J/K )

I wonder if it had to do with center of gravity issues? Seems like the P39 collected it's shells too with that as a reason.

Dan/Slack
Not positive on that, but seem to recall seeing it in print somewhere

Karnak · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2004, 02:34:37 PM »

I seem to recall that the Mossie didn't have ejector chutes for the spent .303 cartridges.

It certainly had them for the 20mm cannons though.

Octavius · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2004, 03:48:16 PM »

So where did they go? Rattle around in some container near the gun?

Rasker · « **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2004, 02:43:02 PM »

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Originally posted by bunch
Do you know what the logic was behind this? For recycling? If so, it's good to see a right wing goverment throwing a bone across to the other side of the aisle ( LOL, J/K )

ah... Hitler...the first ecologist!

bunch · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2004, 03:22:36 PM »

He was a vegetarian too.
As if we need any more reason to dislike shitler & now we find out he was a hippie

BenDover · « **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2004, 09:19:34 PM »

A hippy racist?

Not supprising he went nuts later in the war

Pyro · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2004, 09:44:46 AM »

Good topic. I'll actually have to be digging this stuff up on various planes. On many planes, it's pretty brain-dead(i.e. .50 cal wing guns, etc) but there are some where it's not so obvious and will require some research. I definitely appreciate any info on the subject.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2004, 01:05:58 PM »

Great to hear Pyro!

BTW regarding the first post, I just confirmed that Bf109E-4 did have shell ejection from the wing cannon.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2004, 01:59:45 PM »

Here is what I have for FW190A and D.

All cowl guns had spent shell ejection.

All wing root mounted guns and cannon had ejection.

All outer wing mounted MG151/20 had shell ejection.

All outer wing mounted MK108 30mm had shell ejection.

Outer wing mounted MG-FF 20mm did not have shell ejection.

Ta152 and Fw190D12/13 had ejection for all three guns.

Kurfürst · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2004, 02:04:59 PM »

So did the 109F/G/K eject spent cases for the guns or not? I am sure the 20mm wing gondolas did (designed that way). Not sure about the centerline weapons, what was the case with them?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2004, 02:12:41 PM »

Read the first post, it explains everyting about 109 spent case ejection.